Actually, It Isn't Funny, But Still
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Ophiolite said:
Lies, lies and more lies.
Isn't if funny how I produce links and quotes supporting what I'm describing―you know, providing actual
evidence―while all you can do is blither on and say nothing definitive?
So go ahead and say, "Lies, lies, and more lies", all you want.
To wit:
Now identify specifically where I commiserated with mtf. Identify specifically where I defended mtf's alleged bullying.
Try
#589↗?
mtf said this: "Wait, I think I get it: _Anyone_ who dares to do anything but vehemently agree with anything Tiassa, Bells, and some others say, is, in the view of Tiassa, Bells etc. a misogynist, rape advocate, victim blamer etc."
I have felt exactly the same way.
Remarkably for one of my age and experience I have felt bullied by them.
While their intentions may be sincere their posts come across as knee jerk reactions.
Their misinterpretation of my posts and those of mtf is not accidental. I view it as a deliberate character assassination based on who knows what.
If their intent is to promote the safety of women from predatory men they are going the wrong way about it. Defaming the motives and beliefs of persons on the same side of the fence because they ask awkward questions, or do not align 100% with their views is despicable and cowardly and ignorant. Their actions, their words and their attitudes do their cause, their reputations and this site, no favours. They disgust me.
See also, mtf at
#562↑, which in turn links to
#503↑ explaining the quote. Mtf is, in that post, responding to the proposition that deliberate invalidation of women's living experiences is dangerous.
However, also note that in #562, responding to James R's inquiry, "Do you think that clarifying your position would help?" there is no clarification.
Mtf is responding to
#501↑, part of an exchange with Bowser orbiting the question of "how we define harassment", or:
"Does a compliment, especially when offered to a women, qualify as harassment?" At this point, it would be nice if any of these advocates could acknowledge reality; as I told Bowser,
"for all women are trying to tell us the problem, that you should ask that particular question means you haven't been paying attention".
I offered you a block of three posts; you have shown no hint of having attended or considered their content. These posts,
#572-574↑ document the problems about the arguments of several members, including you.
And it really isn't surprising that you haven't answered that; after all, skipping out on the record is a vital component of this behavior.
Still, though, that doesn't settle the question of your commiseration. This part is straightforward. Ready?
• mtf said this: "Wait, I think I get it: _Anyone_ who dares to do anything but vehemently agree with anything Tiassa, Bells, and some others say, is, in the view of Tiassa, Bells etc. a misogynist, rape advocate, victim blamer etc."
Poor mtf. Perhaps you might take a moment to answer a basic straightforward question:
→ What part of open rape advocacy↑ against women would you consider not misogynistic, rape advocacy, or victim blaming?
I would appreciate an actual answer, please.
• I have felt exactly the same way.
Perhaps you might explain to us just how you have felt the same way? I mean, really? Mtf posts rape advocacy, feels offended at being called out, and you have felt exactly the same way?
• Remarkably for one of my age and experience I have felt bullied by them.
To reiterate:
When you want to pitch a temper tantrum↱ on behalf of a person "no longer in a position to defend themselves", so that you might denounce a "rather despicable act of a bully and a coward", it would probably help you look a bit less ridiculous if your complaint was true. For instance, if that person can answer for herself, but does not want to, and receives adjudication aiming to fulfill her wish, it is absolutely bogus to try and pass that off as "a person who is no longer in a position to defend themselves".
You don't get to feel bullied. Not when self-righteous, bullying dishonesty is your gig.
(#604↑)
I don't know what part of this is confusing to you:
When you (1) throw a pretentious temper tantrum based on false assertion of fact, (2) demand a short answer, and then (3) go out of your way to send a harassing PM when that demand is fulfilled, it's true, I have exactly no sympathy for a two-bit, wannabe bully crying about people not appreciating dishonesty.
You did that, Ophiolite. You asserted false facts as the basis of your petulant tantrum. So, no, you can cry like all bullies do when people stand up to them, but you're not getting any sympathy from those you aim to abuse.
• While their intentions may be sincere their posts come across as knee jerk reactions.
Their misinterpretation of my posts and those of mtf is not accidental. I view it as a deliberate character assassination based on who knows what.
Reiterating the point I made at the outset, why are you so utterly unable to support your arguments with evidence? To wit:
• Should people not compete? If catcalling gets to you, if it throws you off your game, it means it is an effective strategy for winning the competition against you (the competition can be about anything from getting the job that is currently yours to getting your attention). (#425↑)
• Well, then it could be something else he wants, some resource that he believes she has and he lacks. That resource can be material or psychological. (#429↑)
• If I was in the position where I saw a beautiful woman, someone who attracted my attention, and I were a young single man, if I really wanted to get to know her, I might try opening a dialogue with a compliment, risking rejection on the gamble that she might respond in kind. (#436↑)
(#587↑)
This is among the rape advocacy you're throwing in with:
"Their misinterpretation of my posts and those of mtf is not accidental". The only affirmative argument mtf made until
#672-ff↑ was rape advocacy. And that last tantrum before mtf ducked out without ever answering the issues is nothing but straight-up sexual harassment.
• If their intent is to promote the safety of women from predatory men they are going the wrong way about it. Defaming the motives and beliefs of persons on the same side of the fence because they ask awkward questions, or do not align 100% with their views is despicable and cowardly and ignorant.
Again, this is one of those occasions when it would behoove you to actually have an argument. Can you support your accusation of, "Defaming the motives and beliefs of persons on the same side of the fence because they ask awkward questions, or do not align 100% with their views is despicable and cowardly and ignorant"?
See, that's the thing; you might disagree with the case I present, but you offer no evidence of your own.
• Their actions, their words and their attitudes do their cause, their reputations and this site, no favours. They disgust me.
Yes, we understand that opposition to misogyny in general, sexual harassment in particular, and rape advocacy especially disgusts you. And if you
really want to bawl about misinterpretation, try making a case.
Thus―
Now identify specifically where I commiserated with mtf. Identify specifically where I defended mtf's alleged bullying.
―you have your answer.
And do not ever have the outrageous arrogance to tell me whether I may or may not feel bullied. And understand fully why I chose to call you a nasty piece of work in a pm. It is because in this and other posts you reveal yourself as exactly that.
I understand that you call me a nasty piece of work because you are either unable or unwilling to deal with facts, truth, or reality.
If you have a case to make, then make it.
. Now please fuck off. Oh, right you won't.
If you have a case to make, then make it.
The power you experience here is what makes your world go round. Fortunately I live in a real world with real people where we are working to achieve safety and security for women and men and children, and we are doing by avoiding stereotyping, listening to concerns and not behaving like ignorant assholes. It's been really unpleasant knowing you. And almost as unpleasant knowing Bells.
It would probably serve your ostensible purpose better if you actually made a case instead of just screeching like that.