Danish Cartoon backlash, there embassy is blown up in pakistan!!!!!!!!!!!!

[S.A.M.]

Why do you keep ignoring the question? I don't care what one mans garbage is another treasure, I completely agree that morality is relative, but I'm asking you personally: Do you not see any problem with the killings done by fundamentalist Islam?

The killings are not done by "fundamentalist Islam"; you clearly are taken in by the ridiculous notion in the media that people under occupation are defending their religion and not their lives or country.

e.g. Danish troops have ALWAYS been under attack in Afghanistan, the cartoons have just given them an excuse to divert attention from the fact that they are part of an ongoing occupation (which has been going on now for seven years, with "we don't do body counts" dead and millions turned into refugees).

Of course, no one reads the news when its printed like this:

A Danish contingent of 100 troops in southern Afghanistan has pulled out of its base, which has suffered daily Taliban attacks, a senior officer said Thursday.

http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/LZEG-6SYRF4?OpenDocument

But add some crazy Muslims shrieking over a cartoon and it all seems justified.

 

[Mr.Spock]

One man's President is another man's Hamas. Go read a book, like this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Dying-Win-Strategic-Suicide-Terrorism/dp/1400063175

hindus? i didnt know that.

 

[Mr.Spock]

The killings are not done by "fundamentalist Islam"; you clearly are taken in by the ridiculous notion in the media that people under occupation are defending their religion and not their lives or country.

so suicide bombers are defending their lives now? thats clever.

 

[S.A.M.]

so suicide bombers are defending their lives now? thats clever.

No they are defending their country. You should read the book, you'll be surprised by some of the findings. Its a study of several hundred suicide bombers and their motivations.

 

[Mr.Spock]

No they are defending their country. You should read the book, you'll be surprised by some of the findings. Its a study of several hundred suicide bombers and their motivations.

so why are they are reading from the quran just before dying?

 

[S.A.M.]

so why are they are reading from the quran just before dying?

Hmm because they are dying?

 

[DiamondHearts]

so suicide bombers are defending their lives now? thats clever.

The main cause is a political grievance, not a religious one or that "they hate our freedoms".

What difference does it make whether a suicide bombers blows himself up and kills a dozen people, when Israeli jets bombs hundreds as in Lebanon?

 

[Mr.Spock]

The main cause is a political grievance, not a religious one or that "they hate our freedoms".

What difference does it make whether a suicide bombers blows himself up and kills a dozen people, when Israeli jets bombs hundreds as in Lebanon?

so they strep explosives, recite from the quran, shout alla akbar and then blow up in the middle of the street killing innocent people. and you feel sorry for them?

so why are you complaining when americans kill innocent civilians?

 

[S.A.M.]

Would you feel better about it if they were sitting in an aircraft and dumping thousands of pounds of bombs instead? I'm sure they'd prefer it, too.

 

[superstring01]

Would you feel better about it if they were sitting in an aircraft and dumping thousands of pounds of bombs instead? I'm sure they'd prefer it, too.

Yes. I'd feel much better.

~String

 

[Mr.Spock]

Would you feel better about it if they were sitting in an aircraft and dumping thousands of pounds of bombs instead? I'm sure they'd prefer it, too.

if they were western democracies i wouldnt. since they want us all to live under sharia law because the west is evil fuckem.

 

[ElectricFetus]

The killings are not done by "fundamentalist Islam"; you clearly are taken in by the ridiculous notion in the media that people under occupation are defending their religion and not their lives or country.

e.g. Danish troops have ALWAYS been under attack in Afghanistan, the cartoons have just given them an excuse to divert attention from the fact that they are part of an ongoing occupation (which has been going on now for seven years, with "we don't do body counts" dead and millions turned into refugees).

I don't care why they are doing it, do you agree with it? Stop talking about others, we can discussing their guilt somewhere else, I find all terrorism and aggression on innocents wrong, you seem to find aggression wrong too but you refuse to specify if aggression by Muslims are wrong. I ask once more do you find aggression by any Muslim on any Muslim or non-Muslim group that is not directly attacking them wrong?

 

[S.A.M.]

I don't care why they are doing it, do you agree with it? Stop talking about others, we can discussing their guilt somewhere else, I find all terrorism and aggression on innocents wrong, you seem to find aggression wrong too but you refuse to specify if aggression by Muslims are wrong. I ask once more do you find aggression by any Muslim on any Muslim or non-Muslim group that is not directly attacking them wrong?

I think aggression is justified under self defence. I don't agree with targeting innocents, but 60 years of obliviousness merits some response. Perhaps its a statement on the state of the world that even a 9/11 changes nothing.

Yes. I'd feel much better.

~String

There you have it. Why don't you send them some? Believe me, given a choice between weapons and blowing up self to fight an occupation, most people will choose the weapons.

But exactly what makes it better to kill hundreds instead of tens?

 

[ElectricFetus]

I think aggression is justified under self defense. I don't agree with targeting innocents, but 60 years of obliviousness merits some response. Perhaps its a statement on the state of the world that even a 9/11 changes nothing.

Sure it merits some response, when they attack soldiers they are simply "enemy combatants" but I ask you when say one blows him self up in a girl school, do you not think that is wrong?

I don't care if a Jew blew him self up killing children in a school for nazi girls on land that on top of jewish graves while these girl's parents burn jews to heat their homes, I find that wrong. If said Jews killed said Girl's parents instead, people who were still actively killing jews that would be an act of self-defense though.

 

[S.A.M.]

Sure it merits some response, when they attack soldiers they are simply "enemy combatants" but I ask you when say one blows him self up in a girl school, do you not think that is wrong?

I don't care if a Jew blew him self up killing children in a school for nazi girls on land that on top of jewish graves while these girl's parents burn jews to heat their homes, I find that wrong. If said Jews killed said Girl's parents instead, people who were still actively killing jews that would be an act of self-defense though.

Attacking kids is abhorrent. But like the 80 (mostly) kids who were bombed by coalition forces in Afghanistan that simply deisgnated them as "terrorists" they are as much victims of the occupation than of the terrorists. Is sitting too far to see your target an adequate excuse, when you do not even bother to count the dead? Do it long enough and often enough and the other side will become equally numb to any sense of justice.

 

[GeoffP]

Were they actually designated as terrorists?

 

[S.A.M.]

Nah, the headlines were 7-12 year olds bombed. Duh!

 

[ElectricFetus]

Attacking kids is abhorrent. But like the 80 (mostly) kids who were bombed by coalition forces in Afghanistan that simply deisgnated them as "terrorists" they are as much victims of the occupation than of the terrorists. Is sitting too far to see your target an adequate excuse, when you do not even bother to count the dead? Do it long enough and often enough and the other side will become equally numb to any sense of justice.

When my military kills innocents I openly denounce it, do you openly denounce when a freedom fighters who claims to be doing this for your religion, kills innocents? I participated in protests against the wars and occupations, did you protest when a suicide bomber kill innocent people?

 

[S.A.M.]

When my military kills innocents I openly denounce it, do you openly denounce when a freedom fighters who claims to be doing this for your religion, kills innocents? I participated in protests against the wars and occupations, did you protest when a suicide bomber kill innocent people?

Not really. My thinking is that you see stuff like this victim of an air strike, on a regular basis:

you cannot be held responsible for your reactions, especially if they happen to be bits and pieces of people related to you.

Whats the worst sentence you can give a murderer? He's already dead.

 

[ElectricFetus]

Not really. My thinking is that you see stuff like this victim of an air strike, on a regular basis:

you cannot be held responsible for your reactions, especially if they happen to be bits and pieces of people related to you.

Whats the worst sentence you can give a murderer? He's already dead.

this is a red harring, the pictures don't change the wrongness of it and don't make reactions to it right.

Let assume the Danish capture the people that bomb their embassy, is it wrong for Denmark to punish these people?