Corona Virus 2019-nCoV

Obviously the states worth watching are listed by Trump.
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Inciting the citizens to defy it's own government...

18/04/2020
Virginia: pop 8.5m
7,491 CC
231 CFR
Michigan: pop 9.9m
30,023 CC
2,227 CFR
Minnesota: pop 5.6m
2,071 CC
111 CFR

It should be an interesting study in how bad things can get....due to incompetence and sheer folly.
The science is obvious enough..
 
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Well, but now that he knows that deaths will only be in the hundreds of thousands - that's not so many voters out of the 230 million eligible voters.
Trump has done several things that focus the deaths and hardships on States and voter populations that vote Democratic. He's going to kill fewer Republicans than non-Republicans. That appears to be non-random.
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Always remember: none of the detection numbers in the US are reliable. We do essentially no testing before clinical diagnosis based on self-presentation, and often not enough after.
That will be a bell curve rather than sigmoid and should be proportional to the rate of new infections in the population,
Can't be both.
Unless by "proportional" you mean something other than I assume - I assume a constant of proportionality.
OK, I presume the new cases curve will be a bell curve like the hospital admissions curve, won't it?
? I don't follow that assumption.
Even when the hospital admissions break from the "sigmoid" (I assume "logistic") curve to show a decrease rather than an asymptotic plateau, they won't plot as a bell curve (I assume Gaussian).
Assuming it's a perfect Gaussian curve, of course, which it isn't - but it's a reasonable approximation.
I'm not following this. Why do you guys think hospital admissions would approximate a Gaussian, on either side of the peak?

Note that hospital admissions are going to vary by circumstances other than infection and disease - including timing and accuracy of diagnosis, demographics of the sick, availability of a hospital bed, and so forth. In the US they will also vary by insurance coverage and the political allegiances of local government. Is that where the randomness assumption - the Gaussian - comes in?

Also: changing the parameters of these curves is the whole point of the pre-vaccination response - buying time for the medical care response, the vaccine development, the transition to different work organization, etc - but in the process invalidating the older projections. If we do damp the logistic, as we very much hope, we will produce a quasi-linear response wherever we are when we do that, even in places other than the former inflection point - including places earlier in the curve, as well as later.

So we have to be careful in interpreting - for example: we might be delaying, not decreasing, the eventual peak. It's important to get a handle on the new curve we have created via response measures, and predict from that rather than extrapolating from the old one.
 
Well, but now that he knows that deaths will only be in the hundreds of thousands - that's not so many voters out of the 230 million eligible voters.
Trump has done several things that focus the deaths on States and voter populations that vote Democratic. He is by his own actions - to the degree he can have influence - killing fewer Republicans than non-Republicans (percentage), and doing more damage to States with governors who oppose him than those with friendly governors. That appears to be non-random.
It should be an interesting study in how bad things can get....due to incompetence and sheer folly.
It's not simple incompetence with Trump.

He's campaigning, remember - that means injuring his opponents, especially those who can interfere with the voter suppression he will need to win. That suppression is handled by the States, and Trump is trying to screw up the States that seem least likely to abet his efforts.
Anybody half normal, who believes in democracy and the good of his country, would be better. I'm sure Pence, for all his faults, is such a man.
Better than Trump but still Republican would make little difference in this particular matter.

Remember, always: Trump is not an aberration, in the Republican Party. Think of him as an elected 1992 Rush Limbaugh and you can predict almost everything he says. Think of him as a vulgar Reagan with no Congressional or Court opposition, and you can predict almost everything he does. Trump=Republican, Republican=Trump. He's completely and consistently representative of the Republican Party.

Pence would suppress votes by means fair and foul, preferentially injure Democratic voters by manipulating the virus response, veto anything the House does without Republican support, and screw up the mechanics of things like tax collection and mask provision and provision of medical care to poor people, because he's Republican and all that stuff is Party policy and behavior.

Trump should be impeached because failure to impeach him betrays the country and destroys the rule of law, not because removing him would get anyone better in the office. The new guy would at least be forced to take the threat of impeachment seriously - something Trump never had to worry about, as far as he knew.
 
Trump has done several things that focus the deaths on States and voter populations that vote Democratic. He is by his own actions - to the degree he can have influence - killing fewer Republicans than non-Republicans (percentage), and doing more damage to States with governors who oppose him than those with friendly governors. That appears to be non-random.

It's not simple incompetence with Trump.

He's campaigning, remember - that means injuring his opponents, especially those who can interfere with the voter suppression he will need to win. That suppression is handled by the States, and Trump is trying to screw up the States that seem least likely to abet his efforts.

Better than Trump but still Republican would make little difference in this particular matter.

Remember, always: Trump is not an aberration, in the Republican Party. Think of him as an elected 1992 Rush Limbaugh and you can predict almost everything he says. Think of him as a vulgar Reagan with no Congressional or Court opposition, and you can predict almost everything he does. Trump=Republican, Republican=Trump. He's completely and consistently representative of the Republican Party.

Pence would suppress votes by means fair and foul, preferentially injure Democratic voters by manipulating the virus response, veto anything the House does without Republican support, and screw up the mechanics of things like tax collection and mask provision and provision of medical care to poor people, because he's Republican and all that stuff is Party policy and behavior.

Trump should be impeached because failure to impeach him betrays the country and destroys the rule of law, not because removing him would get anyone better in the office. The new guy would at least be forced to take the threat of impeachment seriously - something Trump never had to worry about, as far as he knew.
Perhaps they should ask all COVID hospital admissions in the 3 states he incited whether they were influenced by Trumps call to arms and how they feel about his "political" campaigning now...
 
19/04/2020

Notes:
A selection for comparison with assumptions.

  • India has a daily new case growth factor of 8.7% (increasing)
    • Late lock down, insufficient testing, widespread community transmission
  • Brazil has a daily new case growth factor of 7.9% (increasing)
    • Incompetent Federal leadership, late lock down, insufficient testing, widespread community transmission
  • USA has a daily new case growth factor of 4.5% (relatively stable but strong potential to increase)
    • Incompetent Federal leadership, late lock down, insufficient testing, widespread community transmission
  • UK has a daily new case growth factor of 5.1% (relatively stable, reducing)
    • Late lock down, insufficient testing, widespread community transmission
  • Singapore has a daily new case growth factor of 12.3% (increasing) - 2nd wave
    • Early mitigation, late lock down, too early relaxation, widespread community transmission, 2nd wave
  • Turkey has a daily new case growth factor of 5.5% (increasing)
    • Late lock down, insufficient testing, widespread community transmission
  • ======================================
  • Australia has a daily new case growth factor of 0.9% (stable - reducing)
    • Early lock down, National cabinet, limited relaxation ( schools ), small community transmission
 
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Worth noting 2 wave Singapore:
21/04/2020
Daily case growth at 17.79% (yesterday)
Today yet to finish..
9125 CC
11 CFR
 
22/04/2020
Global milestone

2,551,137 CC
177,148 CFR
668,356 Recovered

CFR to CC : 6.94%
Recovered to CC : 26.19%

USA accounts for 32% of all confirmed cases. 25% of all fatalities.

I'm going with another 14 days, followed by 28 days for the next million after that, assuming we stick with the lockdowns we have right now. The rate of new cases has plateaued and is now dropping. (That's rate of new cases, not total number of new cases.)
You are on track..so far.
500,000 in seven days...


Russia:
52,763 CC (new 5,642)
456 CFR

CC daily growth at 10.69%

Serious doubts about the CFR figure.
 
Do you have a giant white board in your room? What are the latest numbers for Sri Lanka and if you have them, Burkina Faso?
no, and look them up yourself...
A once in a life time global event, deserves a little attention don't you agree?

There is so much that is and will be discussed about COVID 19. Do you have anything you wish to discuss about?
Immunity?
Disability?
Possibility of another pandemic at any time?

and so on...
 
Do you have a giant white board in your room? What are the latest numbers for Sri Lanka and if you have them, Burkina Faso?
How much responsibility for the USA's terrible situation falls on Trump's leadership and why? Do you think?
 
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How much responsibility for the USA's terrible situation falls on Trump's leadership and why? Do you think?
Personally I don't envy Trumps position managing folk over there seems akin to herding cats. Look at the various responses to social distancing etc. You can't blame Trump for that...
Most leaders would not have expected things to be so bad..and I think Scotty probably reacted as he did to help folk forget his Bush fire approach.
Alex
 
It is interesting that each day ever day year in year out apparently 20,000 people die each day from starvation. And there is a vaccine for that..food..but as it does not effect rich folk it does not make the news...
The virus will go but I doubt if the daily deaths due to starvation will change..maybe go up a little maybe down but who cares about people wth no faces.
Alex
 
Personally I don't envy Trumps position managing folk over there seems akin to herding cats. Look at the various responses to social distancing etc. You can't blame Trump for that...
Most leaders would not have expected things to be so bad..and I think Scotty probably reacted as he did to help folk forget his Bush fire approach.
Alex
So you think Trumps leadership is excusable and with the realm of acceptable?
 
It is interesting that each day ever day year in year out apparently 20,000 people die each day from starvation. And there is a vaccine for that..food..but as it does not effect rich folk it does not make the news...
The virus will go but I doubt if the daily deaths due to starvation will change..maybe go up a little maybe down but who cares about people wth no faces.
Alex
Do you think the world is over reacting?
 
So you think Trumps leadership is excusable and with the realm of acceptable?

I don't really know but certainly can see how it has caught many off guard.

Did you notice the various Christian pastors thumbing their nose at social distancing etc. What do you think Trump could have done with them for example.

I really don't care about Trump but if you want to scape goat he is as good as anyone I guess..but it is not that simple.

How many now dead ..do you know? I have been looking at numbers and getting constantly surprised..20,000 a day thru hunger..Trumps fault? Two and a half million so far this year from cancer..Trumps fault...the cat had kittens Trumps fault...Honestly I get sick of the Dems bleating since day one and now still have not formulated a plan or policy to see Trump out of office...But I don't care...so there will be no discussion from me ...I am probably the leftist dude here and even I would not vote for Dems..they are totally ineffectual..sorry just watch them lose again.
Alex
 
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