Corona Virus 2019-nCoV
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so yet again you miss the point. Why? and seek to denigrate with out thinking...
It is not the water temperature, it is the trapping of the virus in the mouth by stimulating saliva (between sips) so it can be swallowed and digested.
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It's a good article thanks...
The information I posted comes from direct experience on the ground and provided by medical personnel working on the coal face in Wuhan.
It is not going to prevent infection but merely minimize the opportunity to infect.
In a desperate situation as has been the case in Wuhan anything that reduces the infection potential, even if only by 5% or so, is worthy of consideration.
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It is extremely unlikely that you would be infected whilst sleeping in your bed ( assuming normal hygiene standards and social distancing)
The following Caltech link is definitely worth a read IMO:
March 20th, 2020
https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/tip-iceberg-virologist-david-ho-bs-74-speaks-about-covid-19
March 20th, 2020
https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/tip-iceberg-virologist-david-ho-bs-74-speaks-about-covid-19
Oh, I am thinking quite a bit. I am thinking that if people think "hot water will protect me!" they will tend to think they are protected when they are not - and the contagion will grow faster.
But you said "warm to hot water." You made it clear that the temperature was important. Are you now jettisoning that part of the recommendation?
I will let you mull over your post for a few days before responding...
exchemist
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Because it is bunk. Read the BBC link geordief supplied, and you will see why.
Listen, at a time like this, all sorts of wild rumours fly around. It is most important, both for personal sanity and to control the epidemic, that silly stories are not spread around thoughtlessly.
In this case, your story looks related to the one posted by Xelasnave in post 369 which was clearly fake, too. These stories are always 3rd or 4th hand and are often accompanied by an invitation to "spread the word". In my opinion that is the first sign of a fake. My guess is they are started either by irresponsible idiots for a laugh, to see how far they get, or else by Russian trolls, trying to sow discord and weaken the success of the authorities in controlling the outbreak (I read there is good intelligence that this is happening, though I have not seen specific examples of how they are doing it).
Keep your critical faculties switched on at all times, and rely on information from verifiable and recognised sources only.
Oh I read the article no problemo but as you say applying a little bit of critical thought is necessary to realise that the author is referring to a claim that the method prevents infection. It doesn't and has not claimed to do so.
The article claims that there are many ways infection can occur that surprise surprise can defeat this idea easily... well duh!
Look I am not interested in defending a simple way to minimize potential infection via the mouth. ( I have already generally validated it by 2 coal front nurses here in Australia.) But I am concerned about how posters can manipulate someones post and address issues not claimed and then accuse them of not applying critical thought.
Read my original post #536 and discuss my post critically and not some imaginary post that you and billvon believe exists.
Example:
So I make a spit mask using a supermarket cloth shopping bag a stapler and some elastic and it works fine. Cost me nothing. But is it going to prevent infection? Nope. What use is it then? It stops me spitting on people when I talk to them and prevents me from touching my face.
So what is stopping the vast majority of people who have no facial covering from making this them selves.... Nothing!
Except people who reckon it does nothing and is a waste of time....
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So what do you guys and gals think about Trumps published hope to fill the Churches on Easter Sunday?
exchemist
Valued Senior Member
I read it and your "summary" clearly suggests it is a worthwhile precaution to follow this rigmarole with sips of hot water.
The BBC article points out why that is a waste of time.
It doesn't matter what you use as long as you generate a moist mouth .. coffee, beer vinegar, milk, pepper.... who cares?
No it doesn't...
Please copy and paste the part that states it is a waste of time..
And do you have any other references to link to that debunks it in the right context?
Example:
So I make a spit mask using a supermarket cloth shopping bag, a stapler, pair of scissors and some elastic, in about 5 minutes and it works fine. Cost me nothing. But is it going to prevent infection? Nope. What use is it then? It stops me spitting on people ( from 2 meters) when I talk to them and prevents me from touching most of my face.
So what is stopping the vast majority of people who have no facial covering from making this them selves.... Nothing!
Except people who reckon it does nothing and is a waste of time....
It should be mandatory that all persons wear some form of spit mask when in public. Of course they don't want to suggest that because they think most people are total morons and would think they have got the virus covered and lower their social distancing vigilance.
Tie a pillow case around your head and immediately you cut the potential infection transmission rate.
But no, it's a waste of time...(sarc) unless you are KKK lol
or do what many impoverished Asians often do and use your left hand to touch your face and eat with (quarantine hand) and your right hand to do the potentially infectious stuff..or visa versa
but no people are too stupid to do that...(sarc) (I call this the Michael Jackson method. btw. lol)
Wear a burka if that helps...
The point being, there are many ways to minimize transmission potentials if only we stop thinking it's a waste of time...
Insanity of the subway...
Little wonder the UK had to lock down...
So I make a spit mask using a supermarket cloth shopping bag, a stapler, pair of scissors and some elastic, in about 5 minutes and it works fine. Cost me nothing. But is it going to prevent infection? Nope. What use is it then? It stops me spitting on people ( from 2 meters) when I talk to them and prevents me from touching most of my face.
So what is stopping the vast majority of people who have no facial covering from making this them selves.... Nothing!
Except people who reckon it does nothing and is a waste of time....
It should be mandatory that all persons wear some form of spit mask when in public. Of course they don't want to suggest that because they think most people are total morons and would think they have got the virus covered and lower their social distancing vigilance.
Tie a pillow case around your head and immediately you cut the potential infection transmission rate.
But no, it's a waste of time...(sarc) unless you are KKK lol
or do what many impoverished Asians often do and use your left hand to touch your face and eat with (quarantine hand) and your right hand to do the potentially infectious stuff..or visa versa
but no people are too stupid to do that...(sarc) (I call this the Michael Jackson method. btw. lol)
Wear a burka if that helps...
The point being, there are many ways to minimize transmission potentials if only we stop thinking it's a waste of time...
Insanity of the subway...
Little wonder the UK had to lock down...
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A key member of an expert panel advising the Government's response to COVID-19 has voiced her frustrations at Australia's staged shutdown approach, warning the death toll could potentially rise if the Government did not take a "go hard, go now approach".
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-25/australia-needs-coronavirus-lockdown-now-expert-says/12088348
The governments dithering, half hearted-ness will not only extend the quarantine crisis by many months if not a year, it will inevitably destroy any resources they have to support the eventual lock down that will happen any way..IMO
Seattle
Valued Senior Member
People who wear an ineffective mask are generally people who shouldn't be out in the first place.
It doesn't protect you, it might protect me (from your sneeze). If you are sneezing it would be better if you stayed home. Your own mask might harm you so what is the point in that?
What are "coal front nurses"?
On to an unrelated question...do all Australians add "ies" to many words or is that just a regional thing? I'm talking about "sunnies" for sunglasses, "blowies" for blowflies, "pokies" for slotmachine, etc.
well that means an awful lot of people who wear manufactured masks on the streets are nutso... yes?
I only use it when I go shopping... mainly to minimize infecting the cashiers...who for some damn reason are not protected at all at the moment. Neither are the security staff.. which is utterly amazing when you think on it.
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Of course it protects others more than it protects me...but I do get the benefits described in my post..
Front line nurses... nurses in acute care wards both psychiatric and general.
You got it matie... stems from the old Irish idiomatic use of "ies"... if I am not mistaken, then it could be Scotties or Walesie.... lol
A way of rebelling against 'Ole Henry and his modern English perhaps. Mainly good mates talkin' at the pub.
Do all North Americans thunk their American English use is superior or wat?
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exchemist
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Sabapathy says that, though telling people to keep their mouths moist and drink water every 15 minutes might sound harmless, it’s important to squash this kind of misleading advice quickly.
The danger lies in the false sense of security that it provides. “People will think that by doing that, they're going to be OK,” she says. “It diverts from the much more important messages.”
The overwhelming evidence suggests that the best approach remains avoiding unnecessary social contact and washing your hands. So her advice is to put down the water and pick up the soap instead.
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exchemist
Valued Senior Member
Ah. Psychiatric.
[QUOTE="exchemist, post: 3626056, member: 268413"
Sabapathy says that, though telling people to keep their mouths moist and drink water every 15 minutes might sound harmless, it’s important to squash this kind of misleading advice quickly.
The danger lies in the false sense of security that it provides. “People will think that by doing that, they're going to be OK,” she says. “It diverts from the much more important messages.”
The overwhelming evidence suggests that the best approach remains avoiding unnecessary social contact and washing your hands. So her advice is to put down the water and pick up the soap instead.
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so no... she doesn't say it is a waste of time. I was simply providing front line testimony from Wuhan... was that a waste of time?
and yes she is fearful that people are too stupid to know the difference.
Sabapathy says that, though telling people to keep their mouths moist and drink water every 15 minutes might sound harmless, it’s important to squash this kind of misleading advice quickly.
The danger lies in the false sense of security that it provides. “People will think that by doing that, they're going to be OK,” she says. “It diverts from the much more important messages.”
The overwhelming evidence suggests that the best approach remains avoiding unnecessary social contact and washing your hands. So her advice is to put down the water and pick up the soap instead.
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so no... she doesn't say it is a waste of time. I was simply providing front line testimony from Wuhan... was that a waste of time?
and yes she is fearful that people are too stupid to know the difference.
exchemist
Valued Senior Member
She says worse, actually: that it is misleading advice, that should be squashed.
And here you are, actively promoting it.