What wasn't lost? It's lame that when called to justify belief in God, religious people get all vague and "spiritual". Where's the God part? I've had similar revelations and I'm still an atheist.
Conservation of souls?
- Thread starter James R
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Sounds like you found something that works for you. Great! Just keep in mind that other people find things that work even better - many of which do not involve god.
We can control large parts of our OWN lives. We cannot, of course, control everything.
Good for you that you finaly “got it”.!!!
Myself… ive never had a need for a spiritual journey… ive always “had it”.!!!
That's good. If people are content...well, whom am I to say otherwise?
We can make choices, but the outcome is never certain.
The magic that is life. It's always there, just forgotten. People forget it and go looking elsewhere for answers, only to realize on their deathbed that this is it...life.
You have to see him in yourself to understand he is everywhere. There's no way I can explain it other than to point directly at you.
That's cool. As long as you're not walking around angry at life, you're probably doing fine.
You always have the choice to choose what you believe.
We create our own hell and our own heaven. The myth of an eternity in fire only serves to create separation. You can't force yourself to love something. Either you do or you don't. Perhaps with understanding comes love, no matter how long that might take.
Has your free will been deterred?
If I told you that God sent me to condemn you, would you believe me?
Xelasnave.1947
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Why dont you tell us exactly what he said first.
Alex
Many philosophers would disagree with you.
Just google "Ethics of belief", and the subject of doxastic voluntarism / involuntarism etc.
Then they are surely just mental sticks and carrots that we create for ourself, with no reality beyond that?
Yet you believe you can choose what you believe?
Seems an inconsistent viewpoint: being able to choose what we believe yet not what we love?
If you are right, then can we not choose to believe that we love someone?
How would you differentiate between real love, and merely the belief of love?
When you put a gun to someone's head regarding a choice, they generally suffer a restriction of any freewill they might think they have.
If I were working with a philosophy, that might be appropriate.
People live it. I see them every day, tormented by their perceptions of reality. They are in competition with life, not part of it.
You're right. Good point. I don't expect anyone to take it on faith, much less love without understanding.
Again, would we be working on faith or true understanding?
Is there a definition from which we are working? For me it's an appreciation for the fulfillment that they give to my life. My appreciation for God is Life and Existence.
The choice would be death or submission. Correct?
Xelasnave.1947
Valued Senior Member
My God Thor just grumbles and I cant make out what he said.
Ok lets approach this another way.
Are you saying God spoke to you or are you playing lets pretend.
Alex
No. I have a choice because of DISbelief in god
However a impressionable person may well have the brown stuff scared out of them
It's called compliance via fear
The religious nut cases are the ones claiming that myth as real as their god
Ditto No. I have a choice because of DISbelief in god
No but I might invoke the Joy Behar option
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friend...nk-god-is-literally-talking-to-you-seek-help/
If we chatting on a friendly basis fine
If I think you are strange I am only a amateur in the field I would suggest go get professional help
Not correct
You are going to get death anyway
Submission first choice then death - but eternal joy in heaven after death
You're getting reward on the never never
Non submission second choice then death - but you forgot the eternal suffering after death aspect
You can make pretty close to certain. If you jump off a 30 story building, you will probably die. If you never go to school, you will probably have trouble finding a job. If you smoke, you will probably die much earlier than you would otherwise.
We were talking about the pluses and minuses of religion before. Another very big minus is the religious mindset that "well, God willed that to be, I guess." So they figure they won't go to school because if god wills it they will get a great job. And if not - who are they to question god's will?
No he isn't, that's delusional.
Great, but you can't justify belief in God or a soul and yet you can't shut up about it. At the same time you encourage the same faith that is so dangerous to the practice of reason.
Nonsense, belief is not a choice.
Also not true. Free will is not synonymous with freedom.
I can't give you the justification you're looking for. You want an equation which gives, in your mind, definitive proof. God isn't a mathematical theory, nor are you.
Jumping off a tall building would have a certain outcome, but then you are ending life, not living it. As for the other two, if happiness revolved around a job and healthy habits, we'd all be in agreement.
You seem to be operating on scripture. If that's the chip on your shoulder, I understand. There's no shame.Not correct
You are going to get death anyway
Submission first choice then death - but eternal joy in heaven after death
You're getting reward on the never never
Non submission second choice then death - but you forgot the eternal suffering after death aspect
Life is a conversation with God. All you need do is listen.