Congratulations America - you got the president you deserve

wegs said:
I don’t think that Trump is far right leaning on social issues, tbh. He seems more moderate from a philosophical perspective but from a fiscal viewpoint, I don’t see him pandering to the religious right with regards to public education. I can’t speak to Vance though - he’s sort of a wild card, I don’t know much about him. I think he’s smart etc but he may be more right leaning than Trump.

I think that the country should try to unify more, as the US is facing some big challenges.
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Do you think Trump has a philosophy?
 
Seattle said:
The first sign of dementia is using "their" instead of "there".

You imply the Trump voter is sub 85. I said they don't vote and therefore aren't important to the subject at hand. You shouldn't need to be spoon fed like this.
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parmalee said:
Even as that goes, there are tens or hundreds of thousands of women who were compelled to vote for Trump by their husbands and there are those in the sub-85 end of the curve. If anyone, those are the ones I'm inclined to cut some slack.
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refers to two sub-sets of Trump voters--the ones whom I am sympathetic towards. Do you really not understand this?
 
geordief said:
As being part of a religious minority at the time I didn't have to go to assembly and did my homework before classes began with the others like myself in a separate classroom .

Later ,as an older boy I did attend assembly voluntarily but was picked out for unruly behaviour by the "master of ceremonies" (chatting loudly during the hymns) and told to report the the Head's office.

My badge of honour is that I was the one and only pupil considered unworthy of wearing the prefects' tie in "6 th form". (that and having been kicked out of Boy Scouts at age 7 for failing the tidiness test)

I was allocated the oboe at school to learn but my teeth got in the way of the reeds and my lungs weren't Olympic standard.
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Not the “pink oboe”, I presume? :biggrin:
 
Also, this guy seems to think that those with an IQ below 85--roughly 15 percent of the population--do not vote. What the fuck is going on here?
 
exchemist said:
Do you think Trump has a philosophy?
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From what I’ve observed in his campaign this time around, he is interested in running the government like a business, in terms of structure and how things get done. Remembering his first term, he seemed super impulsive, and while I don’t particularly agree with some of his cabinet picks, he seems less impulsive now, maybe that’s his age or due to being shot. If he has a philosophy at all, it seems to be about running the government like a business.
 
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parmalee said:
Can you answer my question? Do you understand that in the quoted text that "those in the sub-85 end of the curve" refers to a sub-set of Trump voters? Yes or no?
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You didn't answer my question. Are you easily triggered? Yes or no?
 
Zero Point Native said:
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  • VIDEO EXCERPT: It's a long list. The former president winning with a coalition driven by white voters. men. and first time voters. young men in Union households. Those older voters voters age 45 to 64. Those younger than the age of 30. Black men, Latino men, suburban women, Arab Americans, and white men. So all of America -- all of America. You just listed all of America. Seems the only groups you can't blame for Trump's victory are Black women and people in comas. Oh, and uh, and puppies...

Well, instead of distinct population groups like that (and whatever ensuing mental depression), it's easier (or more psychologically uplifting) to package who DIDN'T vote for Trump in terms of "employment" categories. The majority of those working in mainstream meda, the entertainment industry, the academic community, progressive supporting companies and corporations, some government bureaus and agencies, etc. At least one or more of those also set and promote the standards, and provide evaluation, of what political sanity is supposed to be, to begin with (watchdogs). A little bit of "in-house" circularity there, perhaps, but it's for the best interests of humankind.
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wegs said:
From what I’ve observed in his campaign this time around, he is interested in running the government like a business, in terms of structure and how things get done. Remembering his first term, he seemed super impulsive, and while I don’t particularly agree with some of his cabinet picks, he seems less impulsive now, maybe that’s his age or due to being shot. If he has a philosophy at all, it seems to be about running the government like a business.
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Trump has no idea how to run a business. He inherited a fortune from his dad and has gone bust numerous times. He's a fraud and, as a recent court case has shown, a crook in his business dealings as well.

As for being less impulsive, what about the people he has chosen for the major offices of government? A Fox news commentator to run the Defense[sic] Dept? A health crank in charge of health? A suspected trafficker in under age sex as Attorney General? And as head of the intelligence services someone with no experience but a history of repeating Russian propaganda? If these appointments are not impulsive, they are evidence of extremely sinister motives: a deliberate drive to put all the main offices of government in the hands of fools and incompetents, who will have to rely on their loyalty to him to preserve their positions. This is how democracies are turned into autocracy.

Just because Trump is now president elect does not make the guy OK. The American people have voted for someone they know full well has no respect for their democracy. If they want a fascist they'll get one. We saw there was a fascist streak in Americans during the Iraq invasion. Now it has come out into the open.

Enjoy.
 
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wegs said:
he seems less impulsive now, maybe that’s his age or due to being shot.
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Hmmm, I don't know. I mean you got McDonald's, the trash truck, I'm sure I'm missing some others, but come on, you gotta admit that's pretty hilarious. To me, that seems kinda impulsive I guess. I hear his cabinet selection is triggering a lot of people so that's gotta be something right? I don't know anything about the people he selected but the more outlandish and crazy the better. Sometimes I wonder if he only does it to trigger people. In any case, it's pretty dang funny.
 
exchemist said:
Trump has no idea how to run a business. He inherited a fortune from his dad and has gone bust numerous times. He's a fraud and, as a recent court case has shown, a crook in his business dealings as well.

As for being less impulsive, what about the people he has chosen for the major offices of government? A Fox news commentator to run the Defense[sic] Dept? A health crank in charge of health? A suspected trafficker in under age sex as Attorney General? And as head of the intelligence services someone with no experience but a history of repeating Russian propaganda? If these appointments are not impulsive, they are evidence of extremely sinister motives: a deliberate drive to put all the main offices of government in the hands of fools and incompetents, who will have to rely on their loyalty to him to preserve their positions. This is how democracies are turned into autocracy.

Just because Trump is now president elect does not make the guy OK.
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He’s been pretty successful (depending how you define that) regardless of his failed business ventures, but part of that success comes from the byproduct of being a “celebrity.” I’d like to see if his new administration can trim waste and make some positive improvements. But, if I were a conspiracy theorist, maybe he’s purposely selecting people he knows will be do nothings or will tank the government even worse, because he’s feeling resentful over the lawsuits. Hard to say. This is his final term, so…it does make me wonder what kind of bang he wants to go out on. I like Rubio’s appointment but Elon Musk? Eek. Gaetz?? Double eek.

I don’t like what happened to Biden, it just feels wrong that he was treated the way he was. This two party system in my opinion, is broken. Both sides of the aisle are involved in corruption, so I’m not sure where “we, the people” go from here. Either way, the US government has become political theater and if it weren’t so sad, it might be funny.

How do you feel about your country’s government? Do you like it?
 
wegs said:
He’s been pretty successful (depending how you define that) regardless of his failed business ventures, but part of that success comes from the byproduct of being a “celebrity.” I’d like to see if his new administration can trim waste and make some positive improvements. But, if I were a conspiracy theorist, maybe he’s purposely selecting people he knows will be do nothings or will tank the government even worse, because he’s feeling resentful over the lawsuits. Hard to say. This is his final term, so…it does make me wonder what kind of bang he wants to go out on. I like Rubio’s appointment but Elon Musk? Eek.

I don’t like what happened to Biden, it just feels wrong that he was treated the way he was. This two party system in my opinion, is broken. Both sides of the aisle are involved in corruption, so I’m not sure where “we, the people” go from here. Either way, the US government has become political theater and if it weren’t so sad, it might be funny.

How do you feel about your country’s government? Do you like it?
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Who says it's his final term? That's another rule he won't abide by - unless he dies or becomes too senile first. He'll declare a state of emergency or something. That's what these dictators do.

The USA has chosen to enter a one-way street to autocracy and a one party state. You won't get out of it easily. It's not just Trump: the whole Republican movement is behind it. Viktor Orban is their hero.

(If you want to discuss the UK government you can start a thread on that topic.)
 
Zero Point Native said:
Hmmm, I don't know. I mean you got McDonald's, the trash truck, I'm sure I'm missing some others, but come on, you gotta admit that's pretty hilarious. To me, that seems kinda impulsive I guess. I hear his cabinet selection is triggering a lot of people so that's gotta be something right? I don't know anything about the people he selected but the more outlandish and crazy the better. Sometimes I wonder if he only does it to trigger people. In any case, it's pretty dang funny.
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lol That’s true, too. Triggering people. He could be doing that but I think he’s going to govern differently this time, having been in this position before. It won’t be a repeat of the first term. That’s just my novice opinion, as an American spectator.
 
wegs said:
[...] Remembering his first term, he seemed super impulsive, and while I don’t particularly agree with some of his cabinet picks, he seems less impulsive now, maybe that’s his age or due to being shot. [...]
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Matt Gaetz appears to be an extraordinarily wayward choice, but I guess only an incredibly reckless individual like that would risk doing whatever Trump wants at Attorney General. (In contrast to the friction with Jeff Sessions and to a lesser extent even William Barr, during Trump's first term.)

So as OMG as it seems to everybody else, I guess it is a calculated selection in the context of what Trump ultimately wants. But Gaetz is still a tossed hand grenade rolling around in a crowd -- there's no self-control there with respect to his habits and conduct.
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exchemist said:
Who says it's his final term? That's another rule he won't abide by - unless he dies or becomes too senile first. He'll declare a state of emergency or something. That's what these dictators do.

The USA has chosen to enter a one-way street to autocracy and a one party state. You won't get out of it easily. It's not just Trump: the whole Republican movement is behind it. Viktor Orban is their hero.

(If you want to discuss the UK government you can start a thread on that topic.)
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He suggested that he could serve another term lol I read that, but you can’t believe everything you read. He can’t run again, no matter what he “suggests.”
 
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