Church will burn Quran

Do you get that I have pretty much stopped addressing you?

Actually that wasn't made clear from our last correspondance: if so, this would be the second or third time. I think you misunderstand me, however: I actually have no wish to 'engage' you, or whatever the current mot is. I merely wish to keep my name out of muddy waters, if that's all right with you.

I was using you as an example, which was blatantly obvious.

Indeed it was; but you realize that at the same time it makes no sense to allow myself to be used as an offensive example, or to be misrepresented? I'm sure you see what I mean.

I understand you have this need to be the victim and have me address you, but really, that stops now.

This is another trope that comes up - I have no need to be anyone's victim, and I don't understand how defending myself translates into that. If you're upset that I wrote in to gripe about being used by you as a bad example of something...well, tough.

Okay? Good.. Buh bye now..

And let us hope it indeed 'stops now', if that is your object. I wish you the very best of luck in the next inception of your self-ban; I hope you will forgive me if I must, at times, comment on the same topics as yourself. I assure you, it means nothing with respect to your ethical stance on our contact, or lack thereof.

Sincerely,

Geoff
 
Of course, I was waiting for the laughing fool to post his usual horseshit. I could explain why you're a moron but I know it would go over you're head and really it's not like you would respond with a coherent response anyway, is it? I honestly don't even think you're capable of doing so even if you tried. Tell you what, I have a nice shiney set of keys, that should entertain you for about an hour or 4. Run along child, adults are talking.

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Now:

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Yes, it is interesting when "peaceful" Muslims never want to face up to the reality of their cults actions. Why not just produce a few verses from the Quran showing how peaceful and tolerant you are... ? That should convince everyone. LOL!
 
This is response? Odd but really, I don't know why all of you think you can speak with any authority about Islam or have the balls to question my religious status, when you don't even understand the most elementary of things. Seriously, this is like shooting fish in a barrel. :rolleyes:

What about these:

"If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient."-Al-Anfal, 8:61, al-Qur'an.

"You shall resort to pardon, advocate tolerance, and disregard the ignorant."-Al-A'raf, 7:199, al-Qur'an.

"GOD advocates justice, charity, and regarding the relatives. And He forbids evil, vice, and transgression. He enlightens you, that you may take heed."-An-Nahl,16:90, al-Qur'an.

"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors."-Al-Baqarah, 2:190, al-Qur'an.

Hilarious. Produce some quotes from the Quran to demonstrate your hypocrisy and the stark contrast of your actions. Well done. LOL!! :bravo:
 
I don't know why all of you think you can speak with any authority about Islam or have the balls to question my religious status...

BWAHAHAHAHA! According to Christianity, your religious status will be "meat on a spit" LOL!
 
We are discussing a supposedly "Christian" religion who are demonising Islam and Muslims for being Muslims and for belong to the Islamic faith.

Wait. . . I thought were were talking in a thread about some stupid church that is--peacefully--burning a fucking book. Apt comparisons are being made to the halcyon society that practically worships that book and what their reactions are to such things, and how they react to other religions.

In short: A printed copy of the second biggest work of religious fiction is going to be burned by a church and people are all atwitter. What do you think the Muslim world's uber-mature reaction will be? Conversely, what is the world's Christian's reaction when their religious symbols get trashed, or their faith oppressed by Muslims? Practically nil.

I'll worry about that church when they start flying planes into buildings, forcing women to wear bed sheets over their heads or start rioting in the streets over a few cartoons.

Call me when that happens and I'll jump on the apology bandwagon.

~String
 
Hilarious. Produce some quotes from the Quran to demonstrate your hypocrisy and the stark contrast of your actions. Well done. LOL!! :bravo:

None of your pathetic insults make any sort of sense nor do I think you have any real understanding of what's being discussed, why do you even bother? To get you're two chuckles in? Get off my nutz and kindly, fuck off. ;)

Thank you.
 
Why do you think they being persecuted - some are even murdered? Many a legally persecuted. Why?

Again, I have said there is probably numerous of factors. Psychological, social, economical, political, perhaps even cultural. I also would point to the infestation of Wahhabism/Salafism. In case of you have forgotten, I'm Shi'a and we have been persecuted for our beliefs since the death of Muhammad (saw). 10 out of 11 of our Imams were killed. Members here have even posted recent accounts of violence on the Shi'a community.
 
We don't go about trying to kill people like you do. ;)

I have killed no one. I am a follower of the Messiah Jesus and he said:

Matthew 5:38-39
38 "You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. 39But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

I believe Jesus He is my Lord and Saviour

Matthew 5: 43-48
43 "You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so?

Yes I am a Christian not a muslim who follow teachings in rebellion against what the Messiah Jesus gave.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
This is response? Odd but really, I don't know why all of you think you can speak with any authority about Islam or have the balls to question my religious status, when you don't even understand the most elementary of things. Seriously, this is like shooting fish in a barrel. :rolleyes:

Look, I'm sorry this blows your cookie-cutter image of what a Muslim is into dust. I really am, if you want, I can send you all a bunch of tissues for issues.



Fuck off.



Fitna means civil war, disagreement and so on, within Islam. Also, where the fuck are you getting these translations?

"And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do."-Al-Anfal, 8:39, al-Qur'an, Sahih International.



"The following was revealed regarding those who escaped capture on the day of Badr: And do not, O Muhammad (s), let those who disbelieve suppose that they have outstripped, God, that is, [that] they have eluded Him: indeed they cannot escape, they cannot elude Him (a variant reading has wa-lā yahsabanna, ‘and do not let them suppose’, so that the first direct object is omitted, actually being [an implied] anfusahum, ‘themselves’ [sc. ‘and do not let them suppose themselves to have outstripped’]; and according to another [variant reading] anna is read [instead of inna] with an implicit lām [sc. ‘because they cannot escape’])."-Tafsir al-Jalalayn.



"The believers who sit at home, away from the struggle, other than those who have an injury, such as a chronic illness or blindness or the like (read in the nominative, ghayru ūlī l-darar, ‘other than those who have an injury’, as an adjectival clause; or in the accusative, ghayra ūlī l-darar, as an exceptive clause) are not the equals of those who struggle in the way of God with their possessions and their lives. God has preferred those who struggle with their possessions and their lives over the ones who sit at home, on account of some injury, by a degree, by [a degree of] merit, since both have the same intention, but the extra degree is given to those who have carried out the struggle; yet to each, of the two groups, God has promised the goodly reward, Paradise, and God has preferred those who struggle over the ones who sit at home, without any injury, with a great reward."-Tafsir al-Jalalayn.



"When the Prophet (s) summoned men for the Tabūk campaign, and they thought it too burdensome, because of the hardship and the extreme heat from which they were suffering, the following was revealed: O you who believe, what is wrong with you that, when it is said to you, ‘Go forth in the way of God,’ you sink down heavily (iththāqaltum: the original tā’ [of tathāqaltum] has been assimilated with the thā’, and the conjunctive hamza has been supplied), in other words, you hesitate and are disinclined to [participate in] the struggle, to the ground, to stay sitting upon it? (the interrogative is meant as a rebuke). Are you so content with the life of this world, and its delights, rather than with the Hereafter?, that is, in place of its bliss? Yet the enjoyment of the life of this world is, in, comparison with the enjoyment of, the Hereafter but little, trivial."-Tafsir al-Jalalayn.



You don't know jack shit about jihad, Islam or Muslims. Seriously, you didn't even know what the fuck the word 'fitnah' mean't. Also, if you had paid attention to any of my posts, I quote al-Qur'an, sahih hadiths and Islamic scholars frequently and do so to back up all of my assertions and arguments.

I'm sorry what I am saying fucks with you're argument and view that all Muslims are bloodthirsty monsters. I know this highly inconvienant, don't worry, you can just write me off and say I'm lying, that's what we Ar...Muslims, do right? Wait, let me guess, jihad means "holy war," right? That's how you're defining jihad bil saif, correct? Moron. :rolleyes:

You're also not taking into the context in which said verses are written nor are you taking into account other verses from al-Qur'an, sahih hadiths and works written by Islamic scholars. All of this is clear by you're clear misinterpretation of the true message of al-Qur'an.



Are you an ignorant jackass or what?

What about these:

"O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted."-Al-Hujurat, 49:13, al-Qur'an.

"The foundation is that the blood of Bani Aadam is sanctified and inviolable and no one is killed except with right. Killing due to kufr is not something which the legislations have agreed upon at any one time of the Shariah, such as killing the one who sits out of combat, for this is something that the legislations and intellect do not differ over. The blood of a disbeliever during the early history of Islaam was sanctified and inviolable just like the original sanctity of a person. Allaah prevented the Muslims from killing such a disbeliever."-Ibn Taymiyah, "As Saarim Al Maslool 'Alaa Shaatim ir Rasool", Page 104.

"If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient."-Al-Anfal, 8:61, al-Qur'an.

"You shall resort to pardon, advocate tolerance, and disregard the ignorant."-Al-A'raf, 7:199, al-Qur'an.

"GOD advocates justice, charity, and regarding the relatives. And He forbids evil, vice, and transgression. He enlightens you, that you may take heed."-An-Nahl,16:90, al-Qur'an.

"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors."-Al-Baqarah, 2:190, al-Qur'an.

Typical muslim in denial of the very blood thirsty nature of your religion.

Simple fact remains muhammed brought teachings from an angel that where in rebellion against the teachings of the Messiah Jesus.

And as the Apostles gave clear prophectic warning.

Galatians 1
1 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

muhammed is accursed and all who follow him are likewise cursed.

2 Corinthians 11
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
string said:
But because I'm criticizing Islam--which is now a protected class for the left-
While in general agreement otherwise, that little blip in there, inveterate and ill-founded, always jars.

The best established of fundie Islam found its most solid political support, its firmest backing against various political criticism, in the right wing of the US political scene for the past couple of decades. If any form or sect of Islam was ever protected, as a "class", by any political grouping in the US, it was the Wahabi Saudis by the W administration.

Meanwhile, some of the sharpest and least compromising criticism of Islam, and opposition to its spread etc, has been found among those not favoring theistic religion in general - mainly: lefties.
 
Originally Posted by Adstar
Of cource muslims go about killing people like me.

How long would a true Christian survive preaching the Gospel message atop the Kaaba?? LOL A true Christian would be torn to pieces in minutes for declaring Jesus the Son of God and muhammed a deciever.



umm idiot...

Well... a very conclusive point you have made. The logic and well rounded arguments in that point is .....well.. almost as good as "Fuck You" from our premier muslim representative.



you wouldn't even be allowed to enter makkah if you're not a muslim-so...???

YES,, CORRECT,, If they knew i was a Christian preacher I would no even make it to the kaaba.. Thank you for Confirming my point. :)



but in truth, it'll be a reaction very similar if a muslim went to the highest point of a cathedral and started preaching that christianity is all a deception and a load of shit.

Well if the christians around where true Christians then they would follow the teachings of Jesus and the muslim on the cathedral would be safe. But as far as i know true Christians do not build cathedrals. So maybe that muslim might be in danger. A muslim has absolutely nothing to fear from true Christians we are harmless as doves. But false christians.. well thats another matter entirely.

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of course, im not implying it is btw...

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Of course you are implying it is, Or you would not have replied the way you did. Don't feign neutrality when your anti-Christian bias shines through your post.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
In other words, you don't have shit to say. Didn't think so.

I have already said all i need to say. And the very acts of your co-religionists down through out the ages and more clearly today revel the evil truth of what you follow. No need for me to elaborate when all can see i speak the truth.

All that is needed for you is to accept or reject the Words of the Messiah Jesus.


Matthew 5:38-39
38 "You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. 39But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.



Matthew 5: 43-48
43 "You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so?


WELL? Do you accept these Words of the Messiah Jesus or will you stand with muhammed and his teachings???

You cannot follow both.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
I have already said all i need to say. And the very acts of your co-religionists down through out the ages and more clearly today revel the evil truth of what you follow. No need for me to elaborate when all can see i speak the truth.

Translation: I don't know enough about you're religion or culture to debate you but I am still going to assume you're wrong and that all of you Muslims are evil monsters because that's what Dubya and Jeebus told me.
 
Well, you might want try to phrase your sentences better then.

Actually, if you re-read my post, I'm really not making any generalizations, perhaps you read it that way but I wasn't nor was that my intent.

That's untrue.

No, it's not at all. Click on any thread about Islam or Muslims. Even in this very thread it's being done.

And someone else doing something wrong doesn't absolve you for doing the same thing.

No, but if you all are going to use generalizations, then there is no reason I can't do the same. Perhaps if you see, with a personal example, that generalizing a whole group and region, that you're apart of, maybe you will see that such generalizations are bullshit.
 
Translation: I don't know enough about you're religion or culture to debate you but I am still going to assume you're wrong and that all of you Muslims are evil monsters because that's what Dubya and Jeebus told me.

I am not an american and "Dubya" as you call him believes in a religion that is more evil then islam, he is a masion. He believes in fighting wars. I am a Christian remember, i believe Jesus. Therefore fighting war is against the Words of Jesus

I see you never responded with an answer to the scriptures that i posted. I posted them to clearly define a borderline between true Christianity and islam in fact true Christianity and all false religion which "Dubya" belongs to also. So in dodging that question i guess your brotherhood in religion is more in alignment with "Dubya".

It makes me sick to the core when muslims claim they believe in the Messiah Jesus and talk as if Christianity and islam are brother religions. Too many of my true brothers in Jesus have faced persecution and death at the hands of muslims for me to stand back and allow a muslim to feign brotherhood with Christianity in the presence of athiest.



All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
While in general agreement otherwise, that little blip in there, inveterate and ill-founded, always jars.

Ugh.

Sorry.

In fact, some of religion's biggest critics--Islam included--have been the members of this board's (and real life's) left faction.

The best established of fundie Islam found its most solid political support, its firmest backing against various political criticism, in the right wing of the US political scene for the past couple of decades. If any form or sect of Islam was ever protected, as a "class", by any political grouping in the US, it was the Wahabi Saudis by the W administration.

You are correct.

There. I said it.

Otherwise, everything else I said stands.

~String
 
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