christians and jews, do they believe in each others' prophets?

[pjdude1219]

Hey pjdude, could you be a little less coherent?

You never change. its perfectly coherent.

You just follow me around from post to post spouting incoherences and non-sequitur's about everything.

You mean facts?

You post on my profile how I'm a bigot after I ignore you,

??? you mean after you post on your profile saying I am being a dick and that I don't what a bigot is( i its someone like you who is prejudiced against peoiple do to race ethnicity religion gender age sexual orinatation) and really your going to whine about this after your have continuely trolled my vistor page by calling me pjfood. So I am not allowed to defend my self from your bullshit but you get to troll. well its consistent with your ussually double standard arguing.

say things like "that's why everyone hates Jews" and then claim to not be an anti-Semite.

ITs not anti semitic to point out a reason and like most radical pro Israel people you've made anti semite into a meaning less phrase.

You harass fedr808, otheapd and make equally inane arguments with Spidergoat,

harass?? if you mean refute bad arguments thatn yes and inane arguments sorry you have a problem I want the law to be followed in respect to Israel and am willing to argue that point but that's not inanity. inanity is thinking you know more about than they do od themselves.

and as far as I am aware you don't espouse such (unrelenting) inanity with anyone else.

?? than clearly you haven't been reading my posts. and their is nothing Inane about my posts. Just because you can't or won't understand them or hate that some one would dare attempt to correct falsehoods you utter doesn't make them lack meaning or sense.

You come into a thread you know nothing about, as an atheist whose never read either parties testament thoroughly you still voice your irrelevant opinion.

I'm not an athiest. and your right I only a confirmed catholic who spent 12 years in sunday school, and went to christmas mass every year for 25 years(I'm 25 this year) but your right I don't know anything about christianity and you as a jew who hates chistianity and has appartently basing their opinion on evgelical christians and jewish scholars who base all they know about on them and not more mainstream not extreme christians know every thing about.

You ironically critique my misspelling while not using (nearly) a single capitalization.

only reason I have done so is you have previosly made comments about my spelling and grammer.

Further...you support Anne Coulter in espousing her garbage after she clearly supports the view I of Christianity I had previously projected.

I support ann coulter and her views?? what fucked up alternate reality are you from I despise coulter with a passion. One of the reasons for the comment you say I supports. and secondly getting info from coulter is stupid.

Well if I met you face to face - I would probably pop you in the jaw you moron.

you probably would. you strike me as the type of person who would violently attack someone for being able to poke holes in your beliefs.

You can go to hell.

can't don't believe in hell. I later in life rejected the abrahamic faiths, mainly for the inhernet violence and condoning violence you seem all to willing to embrace, for the neo pagan faiths.



now you childish, self abosrbed, and self rightous twit next time you want to rant and rave about something know what your talking about. You don't know shit about christmas, christianity, or me.

 

[krazedkat]

i don't get why the jews didn't follow jesus when he came along?

Uh. It WAS Jews and Gentiles that he taught, many Jews decided to keep their religion. Get your facts straight.

 

[GeoffP]

after your have continuely trolled my vistor page by calling me pjfood. So I am not allowed to defend my self from your bullshit but you get to troll.

But he's quite right: you don't understand what bigotry is. You sling it about in dearth of trying to understand what the other person is saying. It's not uncommon, I suppose, but neither is it commendable.

 

[pjdude1219]

But he's quite right: you don't understand what bigotry is. You sling it about in dearth of trying to understand what the other person is saying. It's not uncommon, I suppose, but neither is it commendable.

No he's not. I understand what it means and yes i understand what people are saying. he's wrong and so are you. bigotry is prejudice against a person or people do to their race,ethnicity, religion, sex, sexual orinatation, age, and and/or nationality which both of you too show.

 

[spidergoat]

Uh. It WAS Jews and Gentiles that he taught, many Jews decided to keep their religion. Get your facts straight.

Strictly speaking he only taught Jews and considered himself one.

 

[mike47]

But it *is* rude. It's an expression of you not being able to recognize how secular a holiday Christmas is to the majority of the people singing those songs, and then basing your religious insecurities upon that.

Secular ?. How ?.
No religious festive is secular is it ?........ .

 

[krazedkat]

Strictly speaking he only taught Jews and considered himself one.

Yes, but he did talk to the gentiles...

 

[GeoffP]

No he's not. I understand what it means and yes i understand what people are saying. he's wrong and so are you.

Illustrate your evidence, then. Or retract your libel.

Is your damnation of theists - well, only of Jews and Christians - bigotry? Have I attacked Islam, or Muslims, or anything other than conservative interpretations of Islam and their proponents? Try. Come on, it should be easy. 20 questions. Try it.

It amazes me that anyone claiming to such a death grip on reality should have such a tiny comprehension of other people, their actually documented arguments and beliefs.

 

[pjdude1219]

Illustrate your evidence, then. Or retract your libel.

libel? nice first is true second their no intent to malign your chracter

Is your damnation of theists - well, only of Jews and Christians - bigotry? Have I attacked Islam, or Muslims, or anything other than conservative interpretations of Islam and their proponents? Try. Come on, it should be easy. 20 questions. Try it.

I have made my displeasure of other faiths including islam well known. and yes you have

It amazes me that anyone claiming to such a death grip on reality should have such a tiny comprehension of other people, their actually documented arguments and beliefs.

your as bad as cheski waah waah you don't understand me or what I am saying and than you show your complete ignorance about the person your talking about.



Their is no point in engaging you any longer it just gives more chances to do what you do best troll and derail threads.

 

[GeoffP]

libel? nice first is true second their no intent to malign your chracter

All right, I confess. I confess that I have not the foggiest idea what this sentence is meant to convey.

I have made my displeasure of other faiths including islam well known. and yes you have

Both lies. Next.

Their is no point in engaging you any longer it just gives more chances to do what you do best troll and derail threads.

Nothing trolling about demanding an apology about maligning my character, or disputing your basic grasp of facts.

 

[Fraggle Rocker]

There is one basic assumption that I consider faulty here. Were any of these stories told in the lifetime of Jesus?

We have no idea. They were written down after the end of his alleged lifetime.

Did they have anything to do with his rejection by the Jews?

The Jews' rejection of the alleged person of Jesus is not documented. There are absolutely no records of his existence, of any of the events associated with it, or of anyone's reaction to it. The figure of Jesus only turns up in writings made after he is said to have died.

The most charitable interpretation of this gigantic vacuum is that it wasn't until after his death that people began to say, "Hey wait a minute, was that dude the Messiah?" And someone else replied, "You mean the guy whose mother was a virgin, the one whose corpse was reanimated? Wow, you could be right. It all fits together. How come we didn't think of that at the time?"

I guess there were so many virgin births and revived corpses in those days that this particular one didn't get any news coverage.

If you're saying that Jesus could have been an ordinary mortal and the stories of the virgin birth and the resurrection are fanciful apocrypha after the fact, then you're taking my second option, which is that Jesus may have been a real person but his story is exaggerated. As I said, this could be true. In that case the Jews would have erred on the side of skepticism and not believed it.

Biblical scholars say that most of the first Christians must have been Jews, based on the demographics stated and implied in the New Testament. However, the New Testament was not written until afterward. The only written accounts of the events upon which Christianity was founded are in its holy book, and they were not written until quite a few years afterward.

Must? You are free to treat the account of His Life in any way you like, and we are under no obligation whatsoever to respect, recognize, lend credence to, or abide such rudimentary and inverted coping mechanisms which keep one in a state of perpetual ignorance.

This is a place of science and you are guests here whom we tolerate so long as you behave yourselves. Referring to people who adhere to the scientific method as "ignorant" is not a good way to have your invitation renewed. You have all the rest of the world's websites on which to discuss your fairytales as though they were true. This one is ours and we call fairytales metaphors.

We testify of Jesus’ miraculous Life, Death, and Resurrection sincerely and straightforwardly; there is no hidden agenda or intent to deceive…we simply make known to our fellow man the good news that Jesus Christ “has abolished death, and brought life and immortality to light through the Gospel”. ‘Grasping’ this FACT cannot be accomplished by approaching His Word with a skeptical midset, ‘testing’ It by ‘rules’ predicated upon doubt.

In that case you have foresworn science so you have no business here. Every hypothesis must be supported by evidence and you just admitted that you have none. Nonetheless you are welcome to stay so long as you restrict your antiscientific banter to this one subforum, where the rules of SciForums are relaxed.

Nonetheless this exchange illustrates the usefulness of allowing religionists to speak here. This post has answered our question: There truly is no evidence for Jesus's life or any of the associated events, and that is why Jews (and many of the rest of us) don't believe the story, much less convert to the religion that is based upon it.