You are the one who asked me to name one example of wiki being wrong - I went "off topic" to honor your request.
China's Emergence As A Global Superpower
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And how does this point out any difference between 'triggering' and 'causing'?
The words you choose to present me with are the only thing I have to go on. It's hard to believe that your knowledge and understanding of China is particularly penetrating when you're oblivious to things like useage of the word "oriental," and speak in terms of ham-fisted stereotypes about "Oriental face-saving." You might as well argue that America is going to pre-emptively nuke China because Yanks are violent cowboys.
I said to give me at least one name of the supposedly cooperation between China and Russia in space industry for future and Mars.
I had already stated that I did not have the newspaper reference, (Joked that it had wrapped yesterday's fish inards) and also told that the reference might have been an article in one of the Indian newspapers I often read.
Furthermore, I had invented a Chinese name to again jokingly explain why I could not remember the name of the leader of the civilian Chinese space program. I gave you credit for some comprehension of all this. (my mistake?) So when you asked me to name an example of what I was speaking of, I thought you were refering to my other statement in the same post that wiki made errors, but I now understand that you were still asking for the name of someone in the Chinese space program!
Here is exactly what you asked for in post 586:
"Give me details...details...just one name involved in this."
Note there is nothing about the Chinese / Russia space program people in your request, contray to what you are now claiming you asked for. As I had clearly explained, several times and in several ways, that I had no names related to even the civilian space program and that the miltiary one was very secrete, I gave you some credit and assumed "involved in this" was refering to my statement, IN THE SAME POST, about wiki making errors. Thus I told of wiki's errors related to Roland and his spectrograph invention.
Thus I tell you again: I DO NOT RECALL HIS NAME. and also again:
I will not search for it. - You do that if you want it. and also again:
The chinese maned space program information is very available. - They are quite proud of it. - Want the world to know. - Invite reporters to watch launches etc.
Go search and stop bugging me for names I don't remember and you could find by searching I am sure.
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China's rapidly growing wealth:
In earlier post, this thread, I reported information about there being 100 Chinese billionairs now OCT07 (from Folio de Sao Paulo's reporter Claudia Trevisan) It appear Claudia has indeed "scooped Forbes." (at least I can not find Forbe's 2007 data by searching at Forbes itself.) Her data on the wealthest in China for Oct06 does agree with Forbe's for last year.
Here is link to the Forbes 2006 data:
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/74/biz_06china_The-400-Richest-Chinese_land.html
The 2006's No. 5 is now Number 1, according to Claudia. Note also both Claudia and Forbes agree that in 2006 there were only 15 billionares in China (not today's 100)
Last year their wealth was rapidly growing, but not as fast as it is now:
"... The combined net worth of the 400 soared 51% to $38 billion from $26 billion a year ago. The minimum wealth needed to make the list this year was $100 million, compared with $62 million in 2005. ..." From Forbe's 2006 data (link above).
I am begining to trust Claudia's reports and that makes her political comments more interesting. In overly condensed essence:
HU Jibtao, China's president, is in struggle with faction of CP now lead by Chin Liangyu, ex-mayor of Changhai ally of expresident Jiang Aemin. Hu is the "harmonious society" originator, a concept not very consistent with the rapid growth of the very wealthy eliet now taking place. Chin lost some power (perhaps removed as mayor) because was accused of stealing from Changhai's public servents pension fund. Hu's opposition did a year or two ago, get ruling that being a capitalist (very rich owner of factories etc.) was consistent with CP memebership. They seem not to be so concerned with the creation of Hu's "harmonious society" but more with wealth production. The annual meeting of the Politburo begins 15 Oct and should be interesting to see if Hu can crush the internal opposition within the CP or if China is developing a "two party system" all within the CP, of course. (Hu's faction more like the US Democrates and Chin's more like the US Republicans.)
In earlier post, this thread, I reported information about there being 100 Chinese billionairs now OCT07 (from Folio de Sao Paulo's reporter Claudia Trevisan) It appear Claudia has indeed "scooped Forbes." (at least I can not find Forbe's 2007 data by searching at Forbes itself.) Her data on the wealthest in China for Oct06 does agree with Forbe's for last year.
Here is link to the Forbes 2006 data:
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/74/biz_06china_The-400-Richest-Chinese_land.html
The 2006's No. 5 is now Number 1, according to Claudia. Note also both Claudia and Forbes agree that in 2006 there were only 15 billionares in China (not today's 100)
Last year their wealth was rapidly growing, but not as fast as it is now:
"... The combined net worth of the 400 soared 51% to $38 billion from $26 billion a year ago. The minimum wealth needed to make the list this year was $100 million, compared with $62 million in 2005. ..." From Forbe's 2006 data (link above).
I am begining to trust Claudia's reports and that makes her political comments more interesting. In overly condensed essence:
HU Jibtao, China's president, is in struggle with faction of CP now lead by Chin Liangyu, ex-mayor of Changhai ally of expresident Jiang Aemin. Hu is the "harmonious society" originator, a concept not very consistent with the rapid growth of the very wealthy eliet now taking place. Chin lost some power (perhaps removed as mayor) because was accused of stealing from Changhai's public servents pension fund. Hu's opposition did a year or two ago, get ruling that being a capitalist (very rich owner of factories etc.) was consistent with CP memebership. They seem not to be so concerned with the creation of Hu's "harmonious society" but more with wealth production. The annual meeting of the Politburo begins 15 Oct and should be interesting to see if Hu can crush the internal opposition within the CP or if China is developing a "two party system" all within the CP, of course. (Hu's faction more like the US Democrates and Chin's more like the US Republicans.)
Yes, it said Serhiy Yang will walk on Mars at 4:57pm 2012.
What month? (MARch I assume.) Is that EDT or Chinese time? - I want accurate details.
On second thought: The best you can say is before 10-10-2058. - That is 50 years from today and China "only" thinks / plans 50 years into the future. (Some immediately reading this may have noted that today is still 9 October not 10, but it is the 10th already in China. Somehow the western world only gets each day when China has used most of it up. Soon to be true of other natural resources also.) Now that deserves
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All I can say is, better start learning Mandarin!
On second thought: The best you can say is before 10-10-2058. - That is 50 years from today and China "only" thinks / plans 50 years into the future. (Some immediately reading this may have noted that today is still 9 October not 10, but it is the 10th already in China. Somehow the western world only gets each day when China has used most of it up. Soon to be true of other natural resources also.) Now that deserves
Or move to Brazil and learn Portugese, as I have.
Brazil's future is to be an economic colony of China - it already is experiencing "de-industralization" in the lower tech industries AND is China's main supplier of iron ore (and some other minerals), food stocks (especially soy beans) and soon some energy as both oil and alcohol.* Trade with US is slowing dropping (few percent each year, 18 to 16% of the total in 2006.) but rapidly growing with China. - Doubling in a year or two, depending on what the exported item is. Will pass trade with US in a year or two from essentially zero less than 10 years ago.
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*The Japanese are doing a better job than China in locking up the exportable alcohol with long term contracts and buying cane fields, and cane processors (or building new ones).
PS Once again, US is being very stupid, but this time Congress is as much to blame as GWB. I speak of the dead Doho Trade round. The G4 (Brazil, India, US & EU) are saying still "You do more, You go first" etc.
Well, Brazil and India are losing interest in a trade deal. In Brazil's case at least (perhaps India's also) trade with China is growing so fast now and the dollar dropping in value so fast, that Brazil does not need to export to US but US needs to sell to Brazil and others in the "developing world" (the G17 group that Brazil leads).
US lost out "big time" for decades at least, on big market oportunity recently when Brazil decided to adopt the Japanese system of digital TV instead of the US's system. Brazil is now hard at work getting other South American nations, which are getting set to make their decision, to favor the Japanese system also as the greater volume will reduce the cost of the "TV top boxes" that convert the digital signals for the millions of old analogue TV sets still to be used for years.
While USA is off in Mid East mis adventures, Chavez is growing trade etc in South America. - He is investing outside of Veneusula 22 times more than US is in all of South America!
Notable, example is the just agreed upon Bank of the South. - Seven South American countries will contribute to it and their presidents will formally sign in Caracus (that is where the BoS's headquarters will be.) in about a month but it is a "done deal" now that the seven finance ministers have agreed to the final details last week. (One curious detail I noted in their official photo was that there were 8 in the picture - perhaps another country is about to join?)
Most of the seven already have told the US controlled International Monetary Fund to "get lost." - Paid off their debts to it and said: "Don't call us, w'll call you." As an American it is sad to see my country "Going down the Tubes." Even sadder is that so few Americans understand what is happening, especially under GWB.
Fortunately, I do not need than my social security checks have any purchasing power 10 years from now.
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On second thought: move to India then no new language to learn, but SAM does not like me suggesting that. In addition to the beautiful girls and other things I have mentioned when suggesting one move to India, if young and single, etc. consider:
"... “Many people think that if the economy grows, you have more wealthy people, but that is not entirely true,” Bagchi says. “China’s GDP growth is faster than India’s, but it has fewer millionaires. That’s because India’s growth is driven by entrepreneurialism. We have a huge service sector. China’s growth has been state-driven. GDP growth is not enough.”
India’s newly rich are younger, which creates a new set of challenges when it comes to managing wealth. They have a longer investment horizon, which means they can accept more volatility – and demand higher returns. ..."
FROM:
http://www.financeasia.com/article.aspx?CIaNID=62886
Quite remarkable when you realize that the number of Chinese Billionares went from 15 in 2005 to more than 100 now.
The combined purchasing power of China and India will soon exceed that of either USA or EU, especially for luxury goods. All the luxury brands are opening stores there more rapidly than the world's automobile makers can build their new factories.
It is really strange - some of the advertisments of the sellers of luxury goods are trying to teach the Chineses about "status symbols" because some "ignorant" newly-rich Chinese ladies still think a hand bag etc. is for carrying things in instead of showing others "you have arrived." The Chinese are quick learners so this phase will not last long.
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I would think your POV more relivant than mine, but it appears to me, that both could benefit from a little of the others approach. I.e. India's government does not seem to be able to push the infrstructure ahead as China does and China does not seem to be able to be as creative / allow the market to be as free as India does.
I have a question for you: Where within India is oil found? I know Reliance gets some but not from where. If you do not know, I will search.
"... As head of California's Stanford Research Institute, Mr Carlson knows the strengths of Silicon Valley from first-hand experience. And yet here he is insisting that America's information technology, services and medical-devices industries are about to be lost. “I predict that millions of jobs will be destroyed in our country,* like in the 1980s when American firms refused to adopt total-quality management techniques while the Japanese surged ahead.” The only way out, he insists, is “to learn the tools of innovation” and forge entirely new, knowledge-based industries in energy technology, biotechnology and other science-based sectors. ..."
FROM:
http://www.economist.com/specialreports/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9928291
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* I really must get around to suing the Economist for plagerism.
PS the entire article is not so down beat.
FROM:
http://www.economist.com/specialreports/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9928291
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* I really must get around to suing the Economist for plagerism.
PS the entire article is not so down beat.
Our infrastructure sucks big time.
For oil, you need to look at ONGC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_and_Natural_Gas_Corporation
And maps
http://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/oilandgasmaps/crudeoilpipelines.htm
Thanks for this map of India's oil deposits. Nothing in the south but all along the arc of the deepest part of the ancient Tethyan Ocean, Just as I thought, and the conventional biotic orign of oil would predict.
"... In contrast {To Brazil which has no oil on land as was never an ocean floor}, the mid East "oil belt," which is basically an arc thur those oil producers {Iraq & Iran} all the way to Burma*, was 200 Million years BP and earlier for long time, the floor of the gigantic Tethyan Ocean** with Iraq and Iran being the center of the "subduction zone," where huge quantities of organic material were taken down into the earth for transformation into oil. Some parts of this ancient Tethyan Ocean oil arc such as Turkey and Bangladash are not well explored yet because of their political problems manily. ..."
FROM (my post): http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1573724&postcount=331
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* Actually, upon a re-read of wiki, I now realize that the oil of Vietnam's Tokin Gulf is the eastern end of the ancient Tethyan Trench arc. (Wiki states it extended to the western Pacific.)
**For more on the Tethyan ocean see post 272 of this same "Oil Crises" thread, where I repeated from wiki infromation on the Tethyan Ocean and its subduction trench:
"... The Tethyan Trench extended at its greatest during Late Cretaceous to Paleocene, from what is now Greece to the Western Pacific Ocean. Subduction at the Tethyan Trench probably caused the continents Africa and India to move towards Eurasia, which resulted in the opening of Indian Ocean. When the Arabian and Indian plates collided with Eurasia, the Tethys Ocean and the trench closed. Remnants of the Tethyan Trench can still be found today in Southeastern Europe and southwest of Southeast Asia. ..."
It now appears the even oilismastry is beginning to realize how foolish his often self-contradictory posts about "a-biotic oil" have been. (He has strangely fallen silent.) For more on his earlier stuborn stupidity and ignorance, see Oliphlite's comments (and several others also in the above thread) and in thread:
http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1575093&postcount=290
Based on the path of the Tethyan Trench, I bet, when adequately explored, Bangladash will have oil. - Perhaps the US should invade now (under the pretense of helping them fight the rising sea levels)? If not now, US may need to struggle against Brazil. Brazil's Petrobras is especially good at drilling in ocean waters. - The flooded region that was Bangladash should be relatively easy once it is open ocean, thanks to global warming. I am not sure, but think that is where some oil company has already started to dill and hit a fluid mud zone, which has been making a "mud volcano" for several years now.
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17th CP congress with 2217 deligates starts tomorrow* in grand hall of the people, Peking. Last one was there in 2002. The great leader, Hu Jintao, will strengthen his hold on power, but the faction of former great leader, Jaiang Zemen, is still strong. The days of absolute rule (under Mao and Deng Chaul Ping are over.) - China is evolving a "one party /two factions" political system, with internally negotiated deals / decisions rather than one man rule (which had disasterious concequences for China during the "cultural revolution. - Marching while waving a little red book being more important that gettiong an education for the youth of China etc. Overseeing Ph. D. clean toilets was a big social contribution. etc. Those days are gone. They days of double digit growth are the rule of the land with the emerging one-party two-factions power-shairing plan.
In contrast US will not achieve even 2% growth, it debt is rising and it currency sinking, along with its influence in the world.
Hu, with his empahses n the "harmonious Society" corresponds roughly to the US's Democrates. Hu want to imporve the lot of the rural pesants (In part to stop them from streaming into the cites at nearly a million each month.) The opposition, some times called the "party of the elite", is more pro-business and obviously more closely resembles the Republicans. When they were in power, is when it became acceptible to openly be both a CP member and a capitalist.
The main job, as always, will be to select HU's successor, who will take over in 2012. Unlike the US, China plans far ahead. 52 year old Li Keqing is the likely choice, but three or four others, also in their early 50s, are still in the running - it will depend on the behind the scenes deals. It is far from Democracy as the west thinks of that, but as Mao would have said still "a great leap forward" for the CP and China.
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*Actually in just a few hours as it is already Monday there.
In contrast US will not achieve even 2% growth, it debt is rising and it currency sinking, along with its influence in the world.
Hu, with his empahses n the "harmonious Society" corresponds roughly to the US's Democrates. Hu want to imporve the lot of the rural pesants (In part to stop them from streaming into the cites at nearly a million each month.) The opposition, some times called the "party of the elite", is more pro-business and obviously more closely resembles the Republicans. When they were in power, is when it became acceptible to openly be both a CP member and a capitalist.
The main job, as always, will be to select HU's successor, who will take over in 2012. Unlike the US, China plans far ahead. 52 year old Li Keqing is the likely choice, but three or four others, also in their early 50s, are still in the running - it will depend on the behind the scenes deals. It is far from Democracy as the west thinks of that, but as Mao would have said still "a great leap forward" for the CP and China.
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*Actually in just a few hours as it is already Monday there.
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