??? I missed something. Where did she say she hated gays?
Capital Punishment for Gays?
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??? I missed something. Where did she say she hated gays?
sandy loves gays.
The American Taliban are jealous.
it's one thing when a group believes homosexuality is a sin. it is entirely another thing when there are government penalties against homosexuality.
i think it's ok for religious people to believe whatever they want about gays, and to teach their kids that homosexuality is wrong (this isn't necessarily my opinion, btw). but they should not teach their kids violence or abuse against gays or push for jail for them or anything like that.
I see our resident crypto-Israeli is once again justifying the defence of her beloved Israel at the expense of Iran ."Gays should be hanged, executed, tortured and possibly both."
The meeting took place in May of this year , a long time to wait before releasing this information wouldnt you say but anyway.
Here the British Government claims they challenge the Iranians on this issue of Gay Rights and executions .
This is from Octobers edition of Gay News in Britain .
So why is Britain deporting Gays back to Iran ?
On one hand we have the British Government state clearly Gays are being executed , and then clearly on the other hand the British Government claims that Gays cannot prove they are indeed mistreated .
This is more anti-Iranian Bullshit for the gullible SHEEPLE to digest .
Look, he did write in! And he makes as much sense as usual. If gay people aren't being given a hard time in Iran, why is Britain criticizing them for it? No answer. Why even are members of the Iranian government admitting to it? No answer.
Thanks for chimping in, Bri-Bri.
Thanks for chimping in, Bri-Bri.
Pandaemoni
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The first person I ever heard defend capital punishment for homosexuals did it in the context of the constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage in Ohio. The man told me he hoped to see God's law made the law of the land, but added that he figured the question of whether or not to execute homosexuals should be decided on a state-by-state basis.
It was a strange call to execute gay people, what with his hope to see the Bible enacted into law, but with a balanced respect for federalism, so it stuck with me.
Oddly, after speaking with him, it wasn't clear to me how he'd personally vote on the issue of executing homosexuals. He seemed genuinely torn. (on the other hand, he raised the issue with me...before then I never thought anyone took that Bible that literally).
It was a strange call to execute gay people, what with his hope to see the Bible enacted into law, but with a balanced respect for federalism, so it stuck with me.
Oddly, after speaking with him, it wasn't clear to me how he'd personally vote on the issue of executing homosexuals. He seemed genuinely torn. (on the other hand, he raised the issue with me...before then I never thought anyone took that Bible that literally).
I dont believe a word of what comes out of the Western media concerning Iran . Explain satisfactorily to me why Britain is deporting Gays back to Iran if they are being executed ,when Britain has a policy not to deport or extradite persons back to countries for crimes which have the death penalty wouldnt you say this is a little suspicious that maybe this is a propaganda story .
Because British Immigration Control and its policies, (and most especially the people who put those policies into practice) are incredibly flawed and incompetent.
Iran might be somewhat ahead of its neighbours in some respects, but it still lags about 500 years behind the west on important laws.
Iran might be somewhat ahead of its neighbours in some respects, but it still lags about 500 years behind the west on important laws.
Well said; and thankyou.
You don't believe stories by the admission of the officials themselves? Odd. You seem quite credulous on other matters.
Deal with them? I'd leave them alone.
I don't hate gays. Where the hell did you get that?
I'm not stirring anything. I posted a new story I found interesting.
Who the hell is talking immigration control for Christsake ?
This is asylum laws and extradition treaties .
Straightforward wouldn't you say , law is law , and in Britain the Goverment cannot over ride that law unlss they change the law . So why is Britain deporting Iranian Homosexuals back to Iran to face execution as the British Goverment claims Iran does .
I dont believe stories from the media especially when they quote persons from Iran and Palestine with their record of being deliberately mistranslated .
One more time Britain takes Iran to account over its execution of Gays from May :
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Then this contradictory stance from the British goverment from October :
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So which is it , does Iran torture and execute Homosexuals or is there no proof to verify this charge ?
Yes it is odd you and the British Goverment continually contradict yourselves .
And you deliberately avoiding answering my question :
An explanation please Geoff .
As usual, it seems you don't understand.
What are you making up now? How could his statement - and that of Ammo Ahmendinejidad's statement at Columbia - be so mistranslated? You're fooling yourself again.
One more time: this has not happened. See the answer above. Please stop trolling the thread, Bri-Bri.
You are deliberately avoiding the response CH gave you. Please stop trolling the thread, you reactionary freak.
Oh, and one more thing: Britain's seeming two-facedness on deportation has nothing to do with the repeated statements of Ahmendinejidad or his ministers regarding the judicial murder of homosexuals. Apparently, though, you're not overly concerned with their fate, since most of what you seem to be doing is trolling.
I am not trolling any argument , I pointed out that a newstory posted by the threads author claimed that in May 2007 members of the British Government took Iran to task over its torture and execution of homosexuals . Then I posted a newstory from October 2007 wherein the British Home Office deports asylum seekeing Iranian Homosexuals because they cannot prove they are being tortured , executed nor oppressed .
I am not avoiding answering CH , I gave an answer , he stated without posting any sources to verify his assertion concerning British immigration . If he could post various sources which confirm his allegation that the British authorities are lax that would be appreciated .
The only thing is for you to give me a satisfactory answer concerning my question to you . Why does the British Government claims Iran executes/tortures/oppresses Gays .Then the British Government which forbids extradition to nations which have capital punishment for their crimes deports Gay asylum seekers back to Iran on the basis that they cannot prove they are being executed/tortured/oppressed in Iran . Now is that clear ? Jolly good ! Now get on with it , Ill either expect an explanation or an admission of defeat.
Brian, the Foreign Office and the Home Office are composed of two entirely different sets of fools. You are engaging in your own usual foolery, which involves demanding and redemanding answers to questions that have already been asked and answered.
It is a nonsense; and, worse even than defeat, it is merely a regression into the usual hole you hide in when you bizarro sensibilities are cogently challenged. You use one office's homophobia to try and disprove a more extreme kind; yet your thrust is clear from the start.
If even the creepy admissions of the president of Iran cannot change your preset standards of lunatic hyperbole, then there is little hope for your maturation as a useful member of anything. The facts are already in; you are welcome to scavenge in their wake.
Good day.
It is a nonsense; and, worse even than defeat, it is merely a regression into the usual hole you hide in when you bizarro sensibilities are cogently challenged. You use one office's homophobia to try and disprove a more extreme kind; yet your thrust is clear from the start.
If even the creepy admissions of the president of Iran cannot change your preset standards of lunatic hyperbole, then there is little hope for your maturation as a useful member of anything. The facts are already in; you are welcome to scavenge in their wake.
Good day.
Yes you are.
Because they do.
First of all, extradition and asylum are totally separate things. An extradition would be if Iran asked Britain to arrest one of the gays in question and hand him over to be tried and, presumably, executed in Iran. This they will not do. Extradition and asylum are governed by different laws. General persecution of homosexuals is not recognized as a legitimate source of refugee status by the laws which govern British asylum practices and, since the people in question haven't been charged with crimes in Iran, there's no hard evidence that they will actually be tortured or executed. There are millions of gay people in Iran and, deplorable as their position in society may be, the odds of any one of them being executed are very small. Moreover, there's no way for the asylum seekers to actually prove that they are gay in the first place. So for Britain to accept any Iranian claiming to be gay would be an open-door immigration policy, and probably do very little in the way of averting torture or execution.
In other words you cannot explain the situation satisfactorily , your excused .
No I am not trolling , I have clearly pointed out a contradictory policy from the British government where on one hand the claim is of Gay persecution in Iran with torture and execution as punishments meted out . And I provide a current policy where they deport Gays back to Iran because the British Goverment claims
" The Home Offices recent refusal of 35 year old gay Iranian, Saeed Faraji, on the grounds that he could not prove that homosexuals are subjected to “torture, inhumane or degrading treatment” in Iran, despite his sworn statement, further establishes this. "
So what is it ? I am asking how valid a claim this is and all I am getting is evasive brush offs .
Read my posts carefully I gave in the first post deportation and in the second extradition . I know the difference , I will be more clear :
That covers the protection of asylum seeker and refugees from deportation it is law in Britain you cant deport refugees or asylum seekers back to face torture or capital punishment .
And that clearly covers Iran's abuses does it not ?
Why should I believe this story ?