WildBlueYonder, I thought that we can talk to each other with respect and courtesy but now I see perhaps I was asking for too much from you.
& that lord would be the stone moon god allah
How many times do I have to quote the same verses for you to understand? Allah swt is the Lord of the Universe, the sun, the moon and everything which exists are subservient to Him. He is not visible to us and His form is nothing like His creation. If you wish to continue, please provide Quranic verses to support this claim.
by Mohammad trying to incorparate Jesus & the Jewish prophets,
1) he was attempting to prove he was a prophet &
2) PREEMPTING chrisitians & jews by insisting that Jesus, Moses were muslims
I guess you have a right to speculate on this, though it is still merely speculation. Muslims believe that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be to him) is the last prophet and that he came to correct the errant ways of the Christians and Jews who had fallen from the true religion of Abraham.
Islam is the most monotheistic religion on the planet. Allah swt (God) has unlimited power and control over the universe, He is far above man without any child from His creation as this would taint His honor, and not similar to any creation with a perfect form which is hidden and beyond comprehension of man until the Day of Judgement.
if that were true, why didn't the Bible ever include the name "allah", as a form of worship, as a name for children, why wasn't Jesus named differently? as in "allashua", which would be translated as "allah saves", instead He was called "Y'shua", for "YHWH saves",
Issa is an arabic transliteration of "Jesus", which is the Greek form of what in english is "Joshua"
but of course allah & Mohammad didn't know hebrew or Aramaic to know that, since allah is an arabic god, he only understands arabic
lets face it, Mohammad was a poor historian
Lingual differences do not equal different God and prophets. Arabic is related to Hebrew and Aramaic as a semitic language. Because we call Jesus Isa (peace be to him) and Elohim, Allah swt, this does not mean we mean different things.
.as an islamic scholar you should already be familiar with this, tiqayya was used to wrest the califate from Ali (of the Shia)
This is complete fabrication, you obviously have no knowledge of Islamic history. Also, Hazrat Ali was a Muslim sahabi, revered by the four madhabs and the Jafari madhab.
Note, I nor any of the Muslims on this forum practice any form of this. This is just another poorly researched argument.
this is such a laughable mistake, poor Mohammad mixed up Mariam, the sister of Moses & Aaron (of the tribe of Levi) from about 1,000 years before Jesus was born, with Mary of the tribe of Judah, the kings of Israel were supposed to come from the tribe of Judah, God had promised the that the scepter would never leave the House of David, which was from the tribe of Judah, but of course, Mohammad could not know that, since he did not the Bible, but made it up as he went along to put in the quran, remembering bits & pieces of what he had heard along caravan routes & campfires
The virgin mother of Prophet Jesus Hazrat Maryam had a brother who was named Haroon, but was obviously not the same Haroon from the time of Hazrat Musa (peace be to them all).
From my entire argument, is this the only thing you wish to comment on?
1st of all, Jesus was not a muslim, it wasn't invented until Mohammad did, Jesus was born a Jew, lived as a prophet & died for all. his first miracle was turning water into wine at the wedding at Cana, read the Bible if you want original sources
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Jesus was descended from the tribe of Judah, son of Yaqub (Israel) however his religion was pure monotheism as practiced by our father Abraham (peace to them all).
Islam in its simplest form means untainted monotheism, submission only to God and not to any man or any creature. It is in essence, the pure religion of Abraham without the basis of ethnicity by Judaism and without a trinity like Christianity.
To Muslims, all the prophets from the first man Adam to Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be to them) followed the religion of Abraham.
here is the kicker, the preemption clause, trying to make every body believe that this version is correct, not what the Bible says, why, how could anyone believe those early chrisitians, they would never allow "true islam" to be written in the Bible, while those true historians, those virtuous men of islam would never, no never allow corruption to creep into the words of Jesus or Mohammad
The disciples and early christians were following Jesus' true teachings, and hence we not tainted by the trinity which emerged later. The trinity, in essence, is what separates Islam from Christianity.
Surat As-Saff 61:14. O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of Allah. As said Jesus the son of Mary to the Disciples, "Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah."
Said the disciples, "We are Allah.s helpers!" then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved: But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed.
Surat Ali Imran 3:47. She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!
48. "And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel,
49. "And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah.s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah.s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;
50. "'(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.
51. "'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'"
52. When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah." Said the disciples: "We are Allah.s helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims [Submitters to God in Monotheism].
53. "Our Lord! we believe in what Thou hast revealed, and we follow the Messenger. then write us down among those who bear witness."
54. And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.
55. Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
again its obvious Mohammad didn't understand Christianity then, nor do you now, otherwise you would really exclaim, "I'm a christian!!!" & mean it
if there is any muslim that is so blinded by the quran, that things that Jesus is the physical son of God, why then they are mormon, that is the only cult that believes that, so muslin=ms are in good company among believers of falsehood
I, along with all Muslims, believe ourselves to be the rightful followers of Prophet Jesus (peace be to him).
allah is the way of the broad road that leads to destruction of which Jesus spoke about
Allah swt is the God of Abraham, denying him is denying monotheism and the religion of Abraham (peace be to him).
exact opposite, islam may be the true anti-Christ
I am interested in this statement, please explain more.
)? What do you learn in the Garden?
