Maybe they open something else for them....... .ummm, do gay men hold the door open for effeminate gay men?
You're living in the past, equality is the order of the day and you can't have it both ways. Protect someone if they're smaller than you, or if they're in trouble, not because their genitals aren't the same as yours.It's simply the culture; generally, men ought to protect their ladies.
I am not saying ladies are weak nor am I saying that ladies cannot protect themselves; I am only saying that it is customary for a man to look out for a lady. That's being a gentleman. That's the manners side of it, and boys grow up today looking at ladies as nothing more than objects, and not caring about intellectualism or virtue. At least, that's the way I see it (there are exceptions, of course)
Both genders ought to be taught good values.
It isn't that recent really, ever since rock music started there's been something similar going on.this may be an appropriate thread in which to bring up a pet peeve of mine...moshing. grrrr...
a fairly recent development, predominately enjoyed by young men.
You should expect rock concerts to get a bit physical at the front, move to the sides or rear.i go to a lot of shows, and i don't feel like i should be assaulted just because i'm at a music venue. put that behavior in any other venue, and it's assault.
Usually you get pushed rather far out of the way long before any "assault" begins.not necessarily the "lord of the flies dance" itself, but the act of clearing the way for it. here about 75% of the floor is taken up by about 5% of the crowd. bullshit!
You get rude bastards everywhere, and it's usually the inexperienced. Most regulars will look out for each other, apologise if they catch you, and they pick others up if they fall down.i was at the bamboozle festival in jersey a few years ago, and i was standing around waiting for the next band to start, talking to a friend, when all of a sudden someone shoves me from behind. really hard. i was wearing some capris from hot topic, and my chucks, and a "i <3 dorks" t-shirt. from behind, i probably looked like a teenage girl. i turned around, and confronted the teenage boy who had shoved me. when he saw that i was his mother's age, i could see the color drain out of his face. i walked up to him, and in a very taxi driver kind of way said "did YOU just shove ME?"
"i'm sorry ma'am! i was just trying to clear the floor so we can mosh!"
how is that ok?
It isn't that recent really, ever since rock music started there's been something similar going on.
You should expect rock concerts to get a bit physical at the front, move to the sides or rear.
Usually you get pushed rather far out of the way long before any "assault" begins.
You get rude bastards everywhere, and it's usually the inexperienced. Most regulars will look out for each other, apologise if they catch you, and they pick others up if they fall down.
You should try a "wall of death" next time.
Ah see that doesn't count, you gotta be in it.i have witnessed the wall of death from the stands. it looked like hell. seriously disturbing to me.
You clearly haven't been to enough punk gigs.but in regards to the mosh pit...i think i'm probably older than you are. see, back in the day, we just used to bang our heads. nobody got hurt, unless you gave yourself whiplash, and then that was your own fault.
Eh, everybody likes different things and it splits the room, you gotta be aware of where these things start and avoid them, it isn't as though you can't get a good view anywhere or an unmolested place. I'm sure lots of things in life are similar. You'll know when you're getting old cause you'll start paying for seats.and i pay the same amount of money for a ticket as everyone else does. i should be able to stand where i want to, and not have to be pushed around, or kicked in the face, or have some 180 lb dude land on my head. i've been drilled in the temple with a water bottle...smooshed until i could barely breath. kids nowadays are outta control. and most of the moshers and surfers aren't paying any attention to the music or what's going on on stage. they could be at home in their basements doing that shit and they'd never know the difference.
i would say that maybe i'm just getting old, but i never did like to get hurt, even when i was young.
i'm whining, i know. i just don't get it.
agreed. I can't imagine manners would be expected in a mosh pit
Oh hell yes they are:
- You don't punch, kick or deliberately elbow anyone.
- If someone falls, you immediately pulls them up, to prevent them getting crushed if someone falls on them.
It is one of the things that really, really angers me to be honest. You see an elderly person or pregnant woman or disabled person, you let them sit down. I've found myself boarding the train in the morning and seeing young and healthy men and women ignoring sometimes heavily pregnant women, the elderly (some using walking frames), disabled people who are standing right in front of them, desperately trying to hold onto the handholds so they don't topple over...
It shouldn't be a matter of being a gentleman. It should be a matter of manners and human decency.
...It shouldn't be a matter of being a gentleman. It should be a matter of manners and human decency.
You know you are old when you start griping about those damn kids in stead of being those damn kids.
I agree whole heartedly. It makes me steaming mad too.
Respect for people, is mostly a dying art imho. It's definitely on a decline.
That said, I'd love to find a man who would take care of me. Open doors, pull out my chair. Ask me nicely for a date, even court me. I would happily cook and clean for him, darn his socks, knit him a sweater to keep him warm and smile while doing it. This society we are living in now, is not to my liking. While I am an intelligent girl, who is successful in my line of work and has been supporting my family and home for a long time, it's definitely not to my liking. I would love to be the backbone and support for a proud man who knew how to treat a lady like a lady.
I'm a simple girl. And I should have been born in the 30's or 40's. When men valued their women and women valued their men. Now days, it seems like no one really honors one another and no one has respect for the jobs that each other does. Equality is one thing, but ignoring respect and good treatment of each other for this independence is eating away at an already frayed societal structure.