Attitudes to rape

[Oli]

LOL Men need sex.

Need? or want? And women don't?

We will have sex whenever we can.

Women won't?

Why the hell do you think we buy women drinks, but to lower their inhibitions and increase the chance they'll consent to sex.

Where do you live? They buy me drinks.

Turn down sex on a first date? No frigin' way.

90% of the time.

 

[madanthonywayne]

madanthonywayne:



The key word here is "consent".

The point of this entire thread has been to get through to people that rape is sex without consent. You appear to realise that on some level. So, where's the remaining controversy for you?

Of course I realize that "at some level". I was merely commenting on the unrealistic approach to sexual relations advocated by Dora the Explora.

 

[madanthonywayne]

Need? or want? And women don't?

Need. That's the difference. Women may want it, or not. Men need it. Look what happens when men are denied sex. We get priests raping young boys, or massive gay rape in prison.

The longer it's been since a man has had sex, the more it comes to dominate his thoughts. Consider the way you feel when you don't eat. Miss a meal, no big deal. Miss two or three and it starts to be all you think about.

Where do you live? They buy me drinks.

That's the point. Men buy women drinks, open doors for them, pay for their meals, buy them expensive things, the list goes on. All on the off chance the female will consent to a roll in the hay.

 

[James R]

Need. That's the difference. Women may want it, or not. Men need it.

As Baron Max wisely said, nobody has ever been recorded as dying from a lack of sex.

 

[Baron Max]

Men need it. Look what happens when men are denied sex. We get priests raping young boys, or massive gay rape in prison.

That's not why that happens, Mad, and you know it full well. So ...why did you say that when you know it ain't true?

The longer it's been since a man has had sex, the more it comes to dominate his thoughts.

I don't think that's true, either. Do you have any info that would reliably show that to be true?

Men buy women drinks, open doors for them, pay for their meals, buy them expensive things, the list goes on. All on the off chance the female will consent to a roll in the hay.

But they don't have to do that, it's what society expects of us in the western world, that's all.

At one time in my life, I gave up the silly game ...and just asked the girl politely if she wanted to go have sex. I was successful much more than you'd expect! But remember, lest we forget, she was also successful ...and many people fail to realize that.

Baron Max

 

[Baron Max]

As Baron Max wisely said, nobody has ever been recorded as dying from a lack of sex.

If I've ever said anything wisely, it's been purely accidental and through no fault of my own, and it would be wrong of me to accept credit!

Baron Max

 

[Oli]

Need. That's the difference. Women may want it, or not. Men need it.

Utter nonsense. Men do not NEED sex. They just convince themselves they do.

The longer it's been since a man has had sex, the more it comes to dominate his thoughts.

Again nonsense.

Consider the way you feel when you don't eat. Miss a meal, no big deal. Miss two or three and it starts to be all you think about.

Sex is not sustenance.

That's the point. Men buy women drinks, open doors for them, pay for their meals, buy them expensive things, the list goes on. All on the off chance the female will consent to a roll in the hay.

Then men are fools for being so submissive to their desires.

 

[madanthonywayne]

Utter nonsense. Men do not NEED sex. They just convince themselves they do.
Sex is not sustenance.

Men need release, one way or another. Avoid sex, avoid masterbation, and you'll be shooting off in your sleep. It's like old faithful. It needs to go off now and again.

 

[Exploradora]

Men need release, one way or another. Avoid sex, avoid masterbation, and you'll be shooting off in your sleep. It's like old faithful. It needs to go off now and again.

I am sure you have sources to back this up?

If you truly believe men inherently want or emotionally need sex more than women then I have some beautiful lunar property to sell you.

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

look what happens when you deprive the regular guy of sex. you get darksidzz. thats gotta be some kind of proof right there


peace.

 

[mountainhare]

Oli:

Utter nonsense. Men do not NEED sex. They just convince themselves they do.

I agree that men do not need sex, although they do need sexual relief (aka. masturbation).

Sex is not sustenance.

Sex is a more abstract form of sustenance, much like appreciation.

Men (and women) were biologically sculpted to procreate and pass their genes on to the next generation. The sexual urge drives this instinct. To deny such a fact would be absurd.

 

[Oli]

Men (and women) were biologically sculpted to procreate and pass their genes on to the next generation. The sexual urge drives this instinct. To deny such a fact would be absurd.

And people can't overcome, ignore or deny their urges? The urge exists, certainly. But it's "controllable".

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

And people can't overcome, ignore or deny their urges? The urge exists, certainly. But it's "controllable".

most people are not cut out to correctly overcome such instinctive urges and desires,

to ignore and deny them could be dangerous for other humans. it is never a good idea to just sweep instinctive urges under the rug unchecked, to bottle something up on an emotional level could cause somebody to explode with negative reactions,

peace.

 

[Oli]

most people are not cut out to correctly overcome such instinctive urges and desires,
to ignore and deny them could be dangerous for other humans. it is never a good idea to just sweep instinctive urges under the rug unchecked, to bottle something up on an emotional level could cause somebody to explode with negative reactions,

peace.

Hmm like the desire to throttle someone that just cut you off for a parking space, the desire to "have one more pint" before driving home, the desire to stay in bed on wet weekday rather than go to work?
Humans are always overcoming instincts and urges, sex is just one more.

 

[Grantywanty]

Hmm like the desire to throttle someone that just cut you off for a parking space, the desire to "have one more pint" before driving home, the desire to stay in bed on wet weekday rather than go to work?
Humans are always overcoming instincts and urges, sex is just one more.

you are assuming that one needs a mental boss idea to stop yourself in these situations. I feel the desire to throttle someone AND the fear of the consequences. Similar dynamics in each of these.

We always come up with excuses for why we must remain split rather than going deeper into our emotions and desires and trying to reconcile them on very deep levels. Instead everyone from rationalists to 'moral' religious people see it as inevitable that we must remain split as jailer and jailed, cop and criminal, inside ourselves.

But you don't really know this is true. There is a great deal of fear around exploring this and I respect that fear, but the idea that the only solution is guilt (religion) or self-restraint and over mentalizing of behavior (rationalism) is an assumption and one that is in fact incorrect.

 

[Oli]

you are assuming that one needs a mental boss idea to stop yourself in these situations. I feel the desire to throttle someone AND the fear of the consequences. Similar dynamics in each of these.

No, I'm not assuming anything - I was just pointing out that we don't always act on our desires. They were the first couple that came to mind after a bad day at work...

We always come up with excuses for why we must remain split rather than going deeper into our emotions and desires and trying to reconcile them on very deep levels. Instead everyone from rationalists to 'moral' religious people see it as inevitable that we must remain split as jailer and jailed, cop and criminal, inside ourselves.

Again no. I don't do things because I've decided I don't want to.

But you don't really know this is true. There is a great deal of fear around exploring this and I respect that fear, but the idea that the only solution is guilt (religion) or self-restraint and over mentalizing of behavior (rationalism) is an assumption and one that is in fact incorrect.

But I haven't claimed anything except that humans do not always act on their desires. Do you dispute that?

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

Hmm like the desire to throttle someone that just cut you off for a parking space, the desire to "have one more pint" before driving home, the desire to stay in bed on wet weekday rather than go to work?
Humans are always overcoming instincts and urges, sex is just one more.

that was an unfair comparison oli and you know it. we are built for sex it is instaled into every bone in our body to accomplish reproduction and survival of the human race, its not the same as getting the sudden urge to throttle somebody who cut you up on the road.

the desires are much different, the desire to have sex is most likely the strongest male desire that exists. and thats most likely scientific fact.

peace.

 

[Oli]

that was an unfair comparison oli and you know it. we are built for sex it is instaled into every bone in our body to accomplish reproduction and survival of the human race, its not the same as getting the sudden urge to throttle somebody who cut you up on the road.

Yup. Unfair. Life is.

the desires are much different, the desire to have sex is most likely the strongest male desire that exists. and thats most likely scientific fact.

So what? It's still a fully controllable urge.

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

Yup. Unfair. Life is.


So what? It's still a fully controllable urge.

that was a poor response oli, it had the explosive power of a wushu student. flowery fist,

nah seriously if thats your reply then cant i just say, "rape is unfair so is life get over it who cares."


it can be controlled by most people, but obviously not by all as statistics show us.


peace.

 

[Oli]

that was a poor response oli, it had the explosive power of a wushu student. flowery fist,

Wushu? Nah. Kickboxer.

nah seriously if thats your reply then cant i just say, "rape is unfair so is life get over it who cares."

But each of those urges are controllable... as is that for sex.

it can be controlled by most people, but obviously not by all as statistics show us.

And road rage isn't controllable by all of the population either. Education, education, education.