How is that of any importance?
Why would you bother asking that?
Lots of loonies think they are the second coming.
Different thing to being the Messiah, but we'll allow the confusion.
Argument for the "70 weeks messiah prophecy"?
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How is that of any importance?
Why would you bother asking that?
Lots of loonies think they are the second coming.
Different thing to being the Messiah, but we'll allow the confusion.
You investigate these claims and You decide who is right and who is wrong. So what??? It is either valid or invalid. You decide.
Yeah so???
Yeah So???
Well i agree to some extent. Especially when you say it to a proud, pompous (insert derogatory identifier here). But some actually find it a good motivator to seriously seek. And prompting serious seeking is not pointless.
Not at all, there gods are not God.
Speak for yourself. You don't speak for all atheists.
Indeed. santa does not exist.
No it means i see someone who just might be moved to take things a bit more seriously if they think there is a possability of a serious outcome to their final decision on the matter. Well of course of often i am wrong, i am only human so i cannot read peoples intents are attitudes with 100% accuracy.
The evidence they provide is there teachings. Their scriptures. And that is evidence through a message.
Ha Ha Ha you keep on telling yourself that.
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Well because i hear so many people on this and other forums stating that david koresh claimed to be the returned Messiah Jesus. It has been stated so often that it is assumed fact. Thing is i am not so sure he ever did claim to be the returned Messiah Jesus.
So i am putting upon the one who made the statement to provide ummmm Evidence. LOL man this is funny.
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Does he have to proclaim it to be it? Where do you get that notion from?
Then you are all going to hell. What's the point even trying to be good then?
Try to be more like Jesus.
No he didn't, the character of Jesus is an amalgam of various characters. Jesus, Mithras, and probably more, there were various people claiming to be Messiahs, Jesus was one of many.
As to the lake of fire and eternal torment,... well, again you show your lack of education and understanding of the bible, because it clearly states God does turn his back on people for ever. So you need to go read it again and learn the truth.
Try to be more like Jesus.
Well because i hear so many people on this and other forums stating that david koresh claimed to be the returned Messiah Jesus. It has been stated so often that it is assumed fact. Thing is i am not so sure he ever did claim to be the returned Messiah Jesus.
So i am putting upon the one who made the statement to provide ummmm Evidence. LOL man this is funny.
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OK, I'll try Phlogistian with a couple of questions.
@Phlogistian
Question One.
Let's say you had two people who say they are doctors. Dr A and Dr B.
You check into the backgrounds of both.
Dr A revolutionised medical treatment, and his medical theories were accepted all over the world.
Dr B was a pervert, with no qualifications, who caused the death of most of his patients.
Which was the real doctor? Choose one.
1. A
2. B
3. A & B
4. Neither
Question Two.
You say, I think that Jesus was a made up person.
Are First Century Jews well known for their fictional works?
Can you name any other people they invented and made biographies for?
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And my conclusion is none of them.
My point, which you seem to fail to grasp, is that your claims are just baseless assertions like every other religion but you don't seem to realise it.
That doesn't make it an honest way to go about convincing someone of the truth. The truth shouldn't need threats of violence, it should be able to stand on evidence and reason.
Do you honestly not see how circular and baseless that is? From my point of view your god is indistinguishable from any of those other gods in terms of validity. The amount of evidence for your god is the same as for the other claimed gods, claims which you dismiss.
Come on, you must see how circular your comment is. Why is your god more valid than these other gods? Your answer is "Because those other gods aren't God", which is a fancy way of saying "My god is right because the gods which aren't my god aren't my god". Your god is God because he's your god. That's exactly what the believers in other gods would say about their god(s). A muslim's god is God because your god isn't God. A Hindu's gods are Giods because your god isn't God. It's all basless assertions.
Rather than simply saying "Those gods aren't God because my god is God because I say so" why don't you provide some evidence?
Atheists, by definition, do not accept the claims of the existence of gods. You don't accept the claims about gods except for your one particular god. Atheists, by definition, don't believe that god either.
And neither does your god. Why do you dismiss Santa and other gods but not your god? What reason other than "Because I say so" have you got?
If you could present evidence you'd not need to threaten people because people would have to accept the truth of reality, just like people have to accept new science when experiments and evidence are provided to them. The use of emotional manipulation and threats suggests you want to push people to accept things which aren't really true.
If I put a gun to someone's head they'd do as I say. If I threaten to hurt them over a protracted length of time they will do as I say for long enough that they might start believing the lies I've made them repeat. Religion could be likened to mass Stockholm Syndrome. After enough threats and emotional manipulation people begin to identify with their captors and might even believe they are good. Doesn't make it true.
You have a laughably pathetic standard of evidence.
That is the rational sceptical conclusion. Until someone presents evidence outlandish claims should not be believed. Would you believe me if I said I could fly or shoot lasers from my eyes? Not likely. Does the claim become more acceptable if I make my powers more fantastic? No. You'd ask for evidence. I'm asking for evidence of a being who can do anything, who is everywhere and all powerful and supposedly wants me to believe in him but won't show himself.
In every other area of our lives we dismiss outlandish claims until evidence is presented. You undoubtedly do it yourself. As such saying "Keep telling yourself that!" is just self contradictory.
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What makes you come to the religious sites? I don't quite understand that ? I would would think it would not be worth your time the way you feel about it all ? I don't know ? Don't seem all that rational. Me Atheist Mother or Daughter would not waste there time like that , but then They are rational
Bad analogy. Care to try something more appropriate?
Jews? It was the Roman Empire that created the character 'Jesus'.
Forget the analogy then.
The Roman Empire invented Jesus.
Right, so:
How did the Romans know so much about Jewish history and tradition?
Why is the story of Jesus so different to all the other Gods they invented?
Which brilliant Roman, since forgotten, was talented enough to make up these events and stories?
And tell them in four different styles, under the names of the four Evangelists.
The parables are such a vibrant source for understanding human nature,
that they have been adapted and retold by poets and writers ever since.
The Roman Empire invented Jesus.
Right, so:
How did the Romans know so much about Jewish history and tradition?
Why is the story of Jesus so different to all the other Gods they invented?
Which brilliant Roman, since forgotten, was talented enough to make up these events and stories?
And tell them in four different styles, under the names of the four Evangelists.
The parables are such a vibrant source for understanding human nature,
that they have been adapted and retold by poets and writers ever since.
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Dude, are you seriously asking that? Are you completely unaware that the area Jesus lived in was subject to Roman occupation? That it was a Roman, Pontius Pilate, that acted in his trial?
It isn't, it's largely the story of Mithras.
Christianity was a political move to unify Mithraists and the followers of Jesus, perpetrated by the Romans. Why else do they share so much? The headquarters of the Mithraist organisation was Vatican Hill. Mithras' birthday is 25th December,..... the character of Jesus was designed to appeal to both sects and unite them, so they could be led more easily.
Wow do i have to point out the very basics of Christian teaching to you? Or are you just willingly being difficult?
Christians have eternity with God because they are FORGIVEN their sins. Not because they stop sinning. Got it??
We try to be good because it is good to try to be good. We do not try to be good to have eternity with God. We already have eternity with God because we believe Jesus.
Once again basic Christianity 101.
In what way? You want me to visit your place with a whip and pull your computer onto the ground and smash it? Jesus did something like that in the temple.
Just a statement. Ok counter pointless statement back at you. Here goes. Hes He did exist, He is not a character amalgamation of..... you fill in the rest_ _ _ _ _ _ _
Waaaaht? talk about saying something totally unrelated to what i posted.
Where did i say that God did not turn His back on people????? When people reject the Love of His truth He not only turns His back, He gives them over to deception so that they may be condemned...
Ok maybe i should have said something like Jesus said.
Matthew 23
29 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, 30 and say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.’
31 “Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt. 33 Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?
Never called anyone in this forum a Serpent or a brood of vipers. So do you think i should start?
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OMG, that has to be the best comeback I've read in weeks. Everything you said I was just shaking my head at. I couldn't have put it better!
That is in fact the meaning of the word atheist. No fear in a God or Gods. Therefore he speaks for all atheists. That's like saying to a lumberjack that he speaks only for himself when he says, "I cut wood."
EXACTLY, so you might as well believe in all religions at once (even though that is impossible), because they all have evidence through a message!
Just because you say something is true, it doesn't mean it is!
Press Alt + F4 now and you will get free cookies for life! I said it, so it must be true! I'm typing it out here as a message, so people 1000 years from now will believe you really got free cookies by pressing Alt + F4 by your logic!
(Only an idiot would believe that, because I'm sure, if no global disaster has happened, there will be archival evidence that Alt + F4 closed your window in Windows OS in the year 2011, and even if there is no evidence it doesn't mean it's true!)
Guys, I think this guy is just a troll. (All Praise The Ancient of Days?) No one can be this stupid.
They are not lumber Jacks . Lumber Jacks are from a time gone by . Why is it some of you get to insult and others don't . Is that Mod Flaw ? Or maybe you got to be reported first . I don't quite get it ?
Err, are you an Atheist, or a Christian?
I guess you were directing your questions to Adstar, but I'll answer the first one and say that the real answer is 3, because they both have the salutation. They are both real doctors, but one is more qualified than the other. B should have his license taken away, however, so he won't be a real doctor for long.
Christian. Yes.
My mother and Father were Irish, so I was sort of born one.
I sometimes feel jealous of people who don't need to question so much.
My mother and Father were Irish, so I was sort of born one.
I sometimes feel jealous of people who don't need to question so much.
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I just pressed them and nothing happened.
Could someone else try it.
Maybe my computer's faulty.
@Phlog. Re Mithras = Jesus. Can you find a reputable site that puts forward this hypothesis?
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You used to be a Christian or still are?
What was the point of the questions? I'm curious now. No, that is not Christianity 101. You don't just have to believe to be a Christian, you have to imitate Jesus, you have to prove you are a Christian by action not by words. And don't tell me "Why are you telling me about this when you don't even believe." I'm telling you this because you are a hypocrite, you say you are a Christian, but then you say all you have to do to be saved is believe. That's not what the Bible says, so if you are going to believe in a God that doesn't exist, you have to do what "He" says, not just believe. That's idiotic.
Matthew 19:21 says: "Jesus said to him: 'If you want to be perfect, go sell your belongings and give to the poor and you will have treasure in heaven, and come be my follower.' "
Are you doing that?
Matthew 24:14 says: "And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come."
Are you going out and preaching the "good news" as Jesus said?
Galatians 5:19-23 says:
Are you not doing the works of the flesh and having the qualities of the fruitage of the spirit?
IF YOUR ANSWER TO ANY OF THE QUESTIONS IS NO, THEN YOU ARE NOT A TRUE CHRISTIAN, BECAUSE YOUR NOT DOING WHAT THIS "JESUS" CHARACTER SAID TO DO. STOP BEING HYPOCRITES AND ABIDE BY YOUR OWN WORDS.