and i said based on doctrine not scripture.
Sure, what is doctrine typically based upon?
ears only hear the words.
I never implied otherwise.
but i am not telling you you will go to hell if you do not listen to me
I don't remember suggesting that you were.
you seem to be using the term 'listen to you' as 'obey you'
Completely unsure where you've got any of this from. I am asking you why I should listen to you at all, (as in why should I take anything that you might say regarding what gods do or do not want as being credible or based upon anything that reflects actual reality).
one must hear all the perspectives about who/what god is to get an accurate idea of who/what god is
One can hear all the perspectives concerning 'gods', but this says nothing as far as actual reality is concerned.
to discount my ideas about who/what god is
What is 'god'? (Note that secondary and relational attributes are unacceptable because they do not answer the question).
Thus far you keep telling me what such 'god' wants or does not want and how it acts or doesn't act but haven't told me what it is that I should recognise any ability on its part
to want or do anything.
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it reminded me of one of those horrific nursery rhymes that i suppose are written to scare the bujeebers out of kids
I don't think any religious concepts should be put upon children, hence it was written for adults in order to help them apply reason to their ridiculous belief systems. Of course
you might be one of the 'New Theists' who has discarded most of the bible as fiction including many of it's concepts, (hell etc). Clearly then it wouldn't apply to you. However, as statistics tend to show, a great many
do.
Take for instance:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_poll3.htm
According to this, 39% of the American population are under the impression that if you don't believe in Jesus as saviour, you go to 'hell. 31% believe that hell is an actual place, (85% of born agains) - hence making my poem directly relevant.
When asked "Have you personally known people you think will probably go to Hell?" 26% said: Yes because they don't have the right beliefs - again making my poem directly relevant in their case.
what i said isn't meaningless; it's very straightforward, meaning that no one is getting duped by god
What is that attempting to say and how would you know?
first of all, i know it's fiction but, the description of the daughter is not realistic. there is no one who has never had a bad thought since adam except jesus
1. It depends what you mean by "bad thought". If you mean something like an angry thought then Jesus is not exempt, (there are various times in the NT he displays such)
2. I think you're being overly pedantic. The point is that the father recognises his daughter as being a person who spent a life doing great works, being nice and kind and loving but is burning in agony regardless to that because 'she believed in the wrong god' - it is focused on the works vs grace through faith issue.
but secondly, and more importantly, we're all influenced spiritually
Unfortunately I do not see the word as having any actual meaning hence I can't really address it.
even you snake, and good spiritual influence manifests good, and bad spiritual influence manifests bad. it's just that easy.
This seems to just be a ridiculous way of saying that bad physical actions manifests bad physical results and good physical actions manifest good physical results. I'm unsure where comes all this obscure hocum about 'spiritual influences'.
faith comes from god, and from the holy spirit
A thoroughly baseless claim and not at all even remotely viable. If 'faith comes from god and some other undefined entity' then you wouldn't expect so many contradictory faiths. It is vastly more plausible and rational to recognise that 'faith' comes very much from humans, not an immaterial thing in the clouds.
