Are sexual fetishes healthy? Just?

[Enmos]

Quotation from an anti crush video article:

"It begins with a close-up of a guinea pig lying spread-eagled on the floor, each of its tiny legs fastened in place by sticky tape. The camera slowly pulls back to show that a woman, seen only from the knees down, is pacing around the stricken creature in bright red stilettos. Her voice is soft and low: 'You are my victim. Are you frightened, little man? You know that your destiny is under my heels...'

Squeals of pain ring out as the sharp point of one stiletto is brought down on each leg in turn, shattering the bones. Next, the creature's back is crushed under a toe, cigarettes are stubbed out on its fur and hip and shoulder bones are systematically trampled and broken until, finally, the woman kills it by driving her heel through its skull. The torture has lasted almost 30 minutes.

Known as 'crush videos' or 'animal snuff movies', such chinese-made films occupy the cross-over point between animal cruelty and extreme fetishistic pornography."


Anyone ever hear of this sick crappola? Due to a sexual fetish in China, thousands of Chinese men and women collaborate in order to produce and sell these videos, which are banned in most civilized parts of the world -- but not in China! As far as I understand it, these videos feature Chinese women who stomp on insects, fruit, and tubes of toothpaste... and then work their way up to small animals such as gerbils, reptiles, rabbits, cats and dogs. The fetish is known as a "crush fetish," and it's one of the most depraved things I've ever heard of.

My question is, do you think it's justified for people to act in this way in order to fulfill sexual desire? Some fetishes are weird... but is it right to repress them? Personally, I never even knew about this stuff until I heard about an outfit called "squish productions." Personally I can't even imagine how they live with themselves after performing these acts.

The article about the "kitten killers" and what two of them look like. Warning: some of the images inside the articles can be traumatic.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/gruesome/crushvideo.asp
http://www.chinasmack.com/pictures/kitten-killers-return/

What !
I say post their picture in every known newspaper and on the evening news.

Yay for humanity !

 

[Saven]

how do we know that she was not forced to do this?

The women who do it are paid. The one in the second link apparently posted those to gain fame. She's the owner or boss of a clothing shop, from what people in the comments are saying.

 

[Saven]

So I guess this also happens in the USA too.

"The most extreme thing I ever heard of was this guy in Utah somewhere," recalls publisher Jeff Vilencia. "He made a Plexiglass platform, and he would lie under it, and the prostitute or whatever would crush things for him. One thing he liked was to take a lizard and glue it down to the glass. Then he put the lizard's arms in the Christ position, and he would have her step on it while he masturbated under this glass platform.

In one scene, Chaffin picks up a pinkie (crush-speak for baby mice) and says, "Hey, pinkie, I'm gonna teach you a lesson. I'm gonna teach you to love my heel." The animal is then forced to "love" Chaffin's heel until death quickly does them part. Another mouse has his tail tied to the ground; Chaffin teases the ill-fated creature, letting it escape briefly before flattening it to a pulp. Chaffin holds her bloody soles up to the camera, displaying the guts of the pulverized rodents."

 

[visceral_instinct]

So I guess this also happens in the USA too.

"The most extreme thing I ever heard of was this guy in Utah somewhere," recalls publisher Jeff Vilencia. "He made a Plexiglass platform, and he would lie under it, and the prostitute or whatever would crush things for him. One thing he liked was to take a lizard and glue it down to the glass. Then he put the lizard's arms in the Christ position, and he would have her step on it while he masturbated under this glass platform.

In one scene, Chaffin picks up a pinkie (crush-speak for baby mice) and says, "Hey, pinkie, I'm gonna teach you a lesson. I'm gonna teach you to love my heel." The animal is then forced to "love" Chaffin's heel until death quickly does them part. Another mouse has his tail tied to the ground; Chaffin teases the ill-fated creature, letting it escape briefly before flattening it to a pulp. Chaffin holds her bloody soles up to the camera, displaying the guts of the pulverized rodents."

Damn, if I ever meet that woman, she's going to need the intensive care unit.

 

[visceral_instinct]

Did some research. The one in the first link is called "the kitten killer of Hangzhou" and she was a nurse for chrissakes. She got fired from her job in China after people found who she was and what she was doing. From what I read, she's disappeared as well.

As for this dip:

The search continues...

She's actually doing this??!! Not just posing?

 

[Enmos]

So I guess this also happens in the USA too.

"The most extreme thing I ever heard of was this guy in Utah somewhere," recalls publisher Jeff Vilencia. "He made a Plexiglass platform, and he would lie under it, and the prostitute or whatever would crush things for him. One thing he liked was to take a lizard and glue it down to the glass. Then he put the lizard's arms in the Christ position, and he would have her step on it while he masturbated under this glass platform.

In one scene, Chaffin picks up a pinkie (crush-speak for baby mice) and says, "Hey, pinkie, I'm gonna teach you a lesson. I'm gonna teach you to love my heel." The animal is then forced to "love" Chaffin's heel until death quickly does them part. Another mouse has his tail tied to the ground; Chaffin teases the ill-fated creature, letting it escape briefly before flattening it to a pulp. Chaffin holds her bloody soles up to the camera, displaying the guts of the pulverized rodents."

What is this stuff.. Satanism ?

 

[Enmos]

Damn, if I ever meet that woman, she's going to need the intensive care unit.

If I ever meet her, the IC Unit won't be needed anymore.

She's actually doing this??!! Not just posing?

What's the difference really..

 

[Roman]

Nope. I don't give much thought to Norsefire to be honest. If it were Tiassa or madant's point I was countering.. I would..

So, in the interests of self improvement.. What am I missing ?

Your example is a relativist one, ie, Norse would only consider something wrong in a context where it happens to him. You can't get more relative than that. The generalization from that, if you don't like it, other people won't like it, while the foundation of the golden rule, isn't logically necessary.

 

[Saven]

She's actually doing this??!! Not just posing?

She's doing it. The articles in the OP contain all the images of what she did to that cat, along with the other kitten murderess. However, those images may be too traumatic for a lot of people here.

 

[Norsefire]

I'd love to see what happens when the victim is you or your family or your friends.

How would that change the fact that morality is relative? To my friends/family and me, the aggressor might seem "bad" and what he did was "wrong" but to HIM it was not.


Morality is not objective. That doesn't mean you can't have a morality, but it is still subjective and ultimately nonexistent.

 

[visceral_instinct]

If she just put the kitten in that position for the picture then let him go, sure, not nice for the kitten, but I wouldn't kill her for it.

If she actually crushed him with her foot...Yup. Kill her.

She's doing it. The articles in the OP contain all the images of what she did to that cat, along with the other kitten murderess. However, those images may be too traumatic for a lot of people here.

Sick bitch.

Is there any way you can report her to authorities?

How would that change the fact that morality is relative? To my friends/family and me, the aggressor might seem "bad" and what he did was "wrong" but to HIM it was not.


Morality is not objective. That doesn't mean you can't have a morality, but it is still subjective and ultimately nonexistent.
Today 12:14 PM

So if someone crushed YOU with a heavy object, you'd simply understand that while you didn't like it, morality was subjective, so really it was ok????

 

[Saven]

How would that change the fact that morality is relative? To my friends/family and me, the aggressor might seem "bad" and what he did was "wrong" but to HIM it was not.


Morality is not objective. That doesn't mean you can't have a morality, but it is still subjective and ultimately nonexistent.

If you deliberately and arbitrarily do things that hurt other people or animals who never did a single bad thing to hurt you, then it's wrong. It is unhealthy, unprovoked, and harmful. There's no subjective "good" inherent that can be found in that. In every strict definition of the word "wrong," there it is.

Mind out of toilet.

 

[Saven]

Sick bitch.

Is there any way you can report her to authorities?

She's in China. How do you expect she be reported to authorities, when what she is doing is perfectly legal over in that foreign hellhole?

We know China only in this way. Kill the weak and enjoy the tea.

 

[draqon]

She's in China. How do you expect she be reported to authorities, when what she is doing is perfectly legal over in that foreign hellhole?

We know China only in this way. Kill the weak and enjoy the tea.

oh please what a bunch of generalization. The same thing happens in USA as well...except China has (1,330,044,544/303,824,640) 4.4 times more people than USA has...with more insane people obviously.

 

[Enmos]

If she just put the kitten in that position for the picture then let him go, sure, not nice for the kitten, but I wouldn't kill her for it.

If she actually crushed him with her foot...Yup. Kill her.

Even if she was just acting, she's still popularizing the idea.
Compare with child pornography. Would it be ok if they were just acting instead of really doing it ? Or even if it was 'just' cartoons ?

 

[visceral_instinct]

Even if she was just acting, she's still popularizing the idea.
Compare with child pornography. Would it be ok if they were just acting instead of really doing it ? Or even if it was 'just' cartoons ?

This is true...fair point.

 

[Norsefire]

So if someone crushed YOU with a heavy object, you'd simply understand that while you didn't like it, morality was subjective, so really it was ok????

It would be my opinion that it is not ok.

Just realize that what I am saying is that it is an OPINION.

If you deliberately and arbitrarily do things that hurt other people or animals who never did a single bad thing to hurt you, then it's wrong.

In your opinion. And in mine. However, that doesn't mean it is set in stone and universally and magically "wrong"

It is unhealthy, unprovoked, and harmful. There's no subjective "good" inherent that can be found in that. In every strict definition of the word "wrong," there it is.

In your opinion. However, it is possible that such things might be considered the most righteous, most pleasant, most healty of activities to an individual.

 

[visceral_instinct]

I can not get that image out of my fucking head.

I want to beat that woman so badly, she'd be curled up on the floor sobbing and crying in a high pitched voice.

It's weird, people's emotional lives just bore me or freak me out, but if I see someone hurt something innocent, I just want to tear them up and dump the pieces where only the moray eels go.

 

[Asguard]

VI, you could always give her a paralitic, scratch her all over and then throw her into a rats nest

 

[visceral_instinct]

Hehe! Sounds a good punishment.