I am not reading through 18 pages of thsi to find if if someone mentioned The Stanford Prison Experiment.
http://www.prisonexp.org/
http://www.prisonexp.org/
Are all soldiers like the Nazis?
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On the other end of the spectrum, we have The 1915 Christmas Football Match
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I mentioned the Milgram experiment but no one was interested.
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=...resnum=3&ved=0CBIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=&f=false
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Your quote came from a soldier who spent one day practicing. What you don't know is that a soldier who actually does this on a regular basis spends a little more time than a day practicing. We do it so much I could clear a "training(meaning in garrison shooting dummies like this kid" house blindfolded. We do it over and over and over and over and over again until there is almost no room to progress. Then we do it again. Then about 5 weeks later of doing this, we are some where past the basic. This kid just got a class, posted a blog and never cleared a house.
It looks like you are taking these things about soldiering on a very individualistic level, as opposed to taking them on a national/state level.
I don't think the same ethical and practical principles can be applied on all the different levels.
And the next day was sent to clear out two villages along with his bumbling cronies. Where all the unwary families who have been treated like crap by the soldiers will be the "bad guys" shooting at them when they break down doors and enter their houses, imagining their children are paper targets.
How can you defend this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WENk-_uH6j8
A little less glorification of violence against the defenseless.
And the next day was sent to clear out two villages along with his bumbling cronies. Where all the unwary families who have been treated like crap by the soldiers will be the "bad guys" shooting at them when they break down doors and enter their houses, imagining their children are paper targets.
How can you defend this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WENk-_uH6j8
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Easy, he's lying. Unless you'd like to explain to me that because one blog in the past has proven to be accurate that all blogs are accurate.
so tell me how can you fight for peace?
You read enough news clippings to know how we act? I guess the media is another group who doesn't tell a lie.
Ah, of course. Because it's never worked before.
You're thinking US media. Its a whole different animal on this side of the ocean.
Its never been tried. Ever notice how "heroes" always kill so many people in fiction? Where is the hero who refuses to?
You're thinking US media. Its a whole different animal on this side of the ocean.
All aspects of media are subject to bias. Don't kid yourself.
Since you're refering to fiction as help to implement your idea. I'd like to refer to a car.
When you put the ignition into a car, and turn it over. You hear it attempt to crank, but it just doesn't start. Would you say this car is broken, and you need to find a new solution to starting the car and driving on safely?
Well, when you don't reward war. Especially in the way you have, you are the person turning this ignition over. People listen to you sputter and try to get going. They watch as your head lights dimmer. You begin to run out of power to help keep the "not rewarding" system going. Eventually you give up on starting the car. As you realize this will not work and I need to try something better.
I'm going to quit this discussion here, because its becoming ridiculous.
You've explained to me how your life is of paramount value to you, so that you will be the first to take action and the last to back down. You're justifying the reasoning behind going to another country, where your colleagues [or you] drop missiles from the air on people who are very very poor and lack resources and understanding of what is happening, who have no infrstructure and have done nothing to warrant your intrusion into their lives. You justify why your colleagues [or you] break down doors, drag out women and children, consider every male a terrorist and have an itchy trigger finger because most of you are incompetent morons who do not even have the capacity to understand that the bad guys are not the ones who defend their homes and family and country, the bad guys are the ones who break down doors in the dark and come in shooting killing whatever is "in the way" regardless of age or sex or reason.
And you volunteered for this. You may even hope for recognition and reward.
So, whats wrong with you? And all the people like you?
As for media, what is your opinion of the veterans video I linked?
You've explained to me how your life is of paramount value to you, so that you will be the first to take action and the last to back down. You're justifying the reasoning behind going to another country, where your colleagues [or you] drop missiles from the air on people who are very very poor and lack resources and understanding of what is happening, who have no infrstructure and have done nothing to warrant your intrusion into their lives. You justify why your colleagues [or you] break down doors, drag out women and children, consider every male a terrorist and have an itchy trigger finger because most of you are incompetent morons who do not even have the capacity to understand that the bad guys are not the ones who defend their homes and family and country, the bad guys are the ones who break down doors in the dark and come in shooting killing whatever is "in the way" regardless of age or sex or reason.
And you volunteered for this. You may even hope for recognition and reward.
So, whats wrong with you? And all the people like you?
As for media, what is your opinion of the veterans video I linked?
How will Islam ever achieve that seemingly impossible task?
Ever tried talking? Heard of that, human?
My life is important to me. You got that right! I'm not a martyr. My job makes it something of a requirement to deploy very often. That I did volunteer for. To help make a change I might add.
I advanced my career not only to make a change but to ensure I wasn't working with incompotent people. we like to call them rangers. give them a 5 minute break and you have to teach them again.
The toughest part I find is that I in no way justified anything. I just asked you to provide proof, and to explain yourself. I explained certain situations to you, but did not justify them. Atleast my intentions weren't to justify them.
I don't think soldiers are all in need of an ethics class. I think they're all emotionally stressed from spending so many nights being mortared and in fear of being blown up without a chance. It definitely weighs on their hearts and minds. But the thing to remember is, the same people they cannot see who their enemies are or trust are the same ones who go out to these towns and villages and talk to the villagers and try to be friendly. I'm not justifying that if one of these soldiers kills a kid it's okay cause the kid might be a terrorist.
I'm just showing how there isn't a ethics problem in all soldiers like you claim.
I cannot not watch that video due to international copyright laws. I'm not in america. But I'll say that they're emotionally unstable and they probably saw some bad stuff. God bless them for trying to make a change. I wouldn't be surprised however if they were misleading people though.
an arguement between two people is classified as a fight. hence you are fighting for peace. ever heard that before?
I'd like to see it more often, then murder obviously.
an argument as fighting for peace? No never heard of that before. I classify an argument as a disagreement over an issue. Conflict resolution through communication. Doesn't seem to work much on a website forum though, sadly.