I'm more than willing to take them to heart. The one I tried to take to heart, Jan retreated from and claimed I was misunderstanding him.
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I'm more than willing to take them to heart. The one I tried to take to heart, Jan retreated from and claimed I was misunderstanding him.
Are you saying you could even allow yourself to become a Christian? I think there is an easier way to that than understanding Jan.
It is probably physics blasphemy to say this, but cosmologists NEED God for the simple reason that there was no per-existing universe before the big bang. only nothingness. Then, bang! Everything sprang into existence. It is atheist logic to thing that universes just pop into existence for no reason. I'm not buying it.
What? What the hell are you talking about?
How do you know there was nothingness? Our concept of "nothingness" is evolving. Have you ever read Lawrence Krauss?
A wise old saying eh?
Firstly, you've left some of it out;
''“To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.”
Haven't I explained to you that nothing I have said in this thread requires faith? Why do you insist otherwise?
jan.
If there was something here before the big bang, the big bang explosion would have bumped into it. It would have shaped what the WMAP looks like. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the WMAP was homogenous which means there was nothing before it.
I think my imagination is better than Lawrence Krauss'.
Are atheists more likely to be anti-Christian rather than anti-Judaism or anti-Muslim or any other religion?
I think it does require faith, though: faith in the sense of daring to think in new ways, the faith of going beyond one's comfort zone.
A word that in this context is synonymous with "faith," but carries less baggage, is "courage."
No, the WMAP just confirms, at least to the best of my knowledge, that the Big Bang occurred. There's nothing in that to prevent there from being other universes, or that this is just one in a chain of Bangs and Collapses, or what have you.
"Bump into it?" Seriously?
Possibly. But your scientific knowledge is shit compared to his. Have a read, and you'll have a new appreciation for "nothingness."
A wise old saying eh?
Firstly, you've left some of it out;
''“To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.”
Haven't I explained to you that nothing I have said in this thread requires faith? Why do you insist otherwise?
jan.
So your belief doesn't require faith? How's that now?
Taking it to heart to me implies conversion, heart knowledge not head knowledge.
So when you say "I'm more than willing to take them to heart. The one I tried to take to heart, Jan retreated from and claimed I was misunderstanding him" therefor I wonder if you took it to heart whether you'd join Jan in his Faith!
I thought you meant take it on board, as in accept it. No, I'm obviously not willing to sacrifice my rational mind to become a Christian.
List your charitable deeds.
In the modern West, and on a forum like this: yes.
Much Western atheism nowadays is developed in opposition to (mainstream) Christianity.
Atheism developed in opposition to, for example, Hindu theism - that's different.
So wynn is right you are saying all this from a strong atheistic stance.
You're gonna need a nothingness that can enforce physics constants and dimensions (1 of time, 3 of space). I wouldn't be surprised if such a "nothingness" was an ongoing flagrant violation of law, logic and mathematics. I wouldn't be surprised if this nothingness was the extreme of woo-woo.
So what we see is more AntiChrist than anti-theism.
What would anti Buddhism be called?
Why don't you read it instead of making up your mind beforehand?
Not that you'd be capable of understanding it, or willing to let it move in on your happy delusion, but there's no harm in knowledge.