An Atheist on Judgement Day

antifreeze said:
so then stoning gay people, eh? i can't say it requires faith in god for a person to stone a homosexual. so then, agnostics, atheists, polytheists, etc. can do "the will of the father" as well as any christian. :p

"If anyone wants to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God or whether I speak on My own authority." John 7:17

“He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him....

"If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words...
"...the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you." John 14:21-25

“...walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma. But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them.
"For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth), finding out what is acceptable to the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret.... See then that you walk circumspectly, not as fools but as wise, redeeming the time, because the days are evil. Therefore do not be unwise, but understand what the will of the Lord is." Ephesians 5:2-17

"Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." Philippians 2:12-13

http://www.crossroad.to/HisWord/verses/topics/will.htm
 
SnakeLord said:
Well it's not 'why did he design us so we could sin', but 'why did he design us so we would sin'. From the very first humans until now- each and every one of us has sinned and does sin.
What questions would we have if He had designed us so that we couldn't sin?

What questions would we have if He had designed the world so that there wouldn't be any temptations?

What would it be?

We are humans and we live in the world, it is as it is, let's face it.

Anyone could take a good gesture and make bad out of it, but anyone could also take a good gesture and make good out of it.
 
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
 
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Yes, I'm aware that God created Satan but it was Satan's denial of God that made Satan evil, not God. You will have to go to the original source in hebrew but "evil" in hebrew does not necessary have to mean opposition to God but the opposite of peace. Accordingly, my translation says "I am the LORD, there is no other; I form the light, and create the darkness, I make well-being and create woe; I, the LORD, do all these things." Nevertheles, while my translation of Amos says something similar, it also says "Hate evil and love good, and let justice prevail." If evil was God's work, then we who should hate evil should hate the maker. For the one who begets evil is evil.
 
What questions would we have if He had designed us so that we couldn't sin?

You think we only have the ability to ask questions because we're sinners?

What questions would we have if He had designed the world so that there wouldn't be any temptations?

But isn't that what heaven is? A place of no temptations and no sins - where you live forever and ever and ever in happy loving worship of god?

Are you then saying that it wont be a worthwhile place because you feel for some reason you can't ask questions?

What would it be?

As above. You're just detailing heaven. A place with no sins, no temptations and no questions for the small collection of people that go there.
 
okinrus said:
God does not create evil, and he has not created hell.
dont you believe that God created everything?
wouldnt hell be part of it???? :rolleyes:
 
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