Absolutely Nothing: Atheists on What They Know About What They Pretend to Discuss

[Xelasnave.1947]

The reality is, we are all truly individual.

Yes very true but it really does not play out that way unfortunately.

When in fact he was an atheist.

Well there you go. Think of my earlier observation as the saying goes..one bad apple etc.

I know you can just make stuff up, believe, then speak it as though it’s truth.

Now I could say do not judge others as you judge yourself...but ... I reject that I do that..My background trained me to be very careful with fact..in law you can not just make stuff up and I believe that's the way it is for me..nevertheless if you can nail me down with that flaw I will see it and appologise.

Or did you lie when you said you would discuss it.

I am careful not to lie Jan.

If I say something you can rely upon my words.

If you are serious re a discussion and as I said earlier we need to deal with specifics and the first interesting claim in the video was that we can look at the various sedimentary layers like they are pages in a book.

I also know that IDers have a different view.

Now I will start..the sediment layers are laid down over considerable time such that each layer can be dated and therefore the fossils found in that layer can be dated..accurately. Before we proceed do you wish to add to that or suggest where my interpretation could be improved?

I look forward to your comment.

Sounds like you’ve had a few.

Now now ... Will you swear that you watched the video? I don't need you to sidestep with an irrelevant observation.

You see for what ever reason I don't trust humans Jan and although you have given me no reason to doubt your honesty I would be happier if you could convince me that you did in fact watch the video...and in court they find having a witness sweare they will tell the truth works reasonably well...it's not that hard
.Can you do that for me Jan please..pretty please.

Check out “The Emperors New Clothes “

Look I am not interested in Emperors or their clothes forget this nonsense and stop thinking about fairy tales.

Tell me are you going out at all?

Alex

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

correction

I think it's spelt...erection
Alex

 

[paddoboy]

They radiocarbon dated soft dinosaur tissue, and it was aged between 22-40000 years old.
Are you ready to give up your delusion now.
It is true that Alex knows exactly what makes darwinism a scientific fact.
Now that we’ve had a laugh, can you answer the question properly?
That’s the sound of fanatical darwinists.
Get me something from Bruce Chapman himself.

Words alone are not sufficient in describing the lies and denials and redefining words undertaken by Jan on his crusade....
so.......

 

[Write4U]

Hilarious....lmao

 

[paddoboy]

Look I am not interested in Emperors or their clothes forget this nonsense and stop thinking about fairy tales.

That is beyond his childish capabilities. I'm pretty sure this will continue until moderation action is needed, due to the obfuscation, playing dumb and down right lies being undertaken by Jan. As the message of my illustration in previous post, he is interested in nothing beyond fabricated support and the erroneous redefining of words to support his sagging myth.

I believe we can rest now as billvon has done a great job along with yourself in refuting his nonsensical claims, and while I hate using the word proof, I have shown as fact his lying and dishonest actions in previous posts, posts that he has failed to answer by the way.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Oops! There it is.

Did I miss this?
Can't I hold beliefs as to reality.
Is asset the right word? Think of the deal with asset..someone owns it.
Anyways if you are employed by the site I say good stuff..most thoughtful to cater for old dudes like me.

You were retired long ago Alex

Yes at fifty..most folk think that is really something I do...I got out 15 years before most..who the stupid one..me...well those were fifteen fantastic years .... when will you retire?

, if you want a taste of what might have been a few years ago.

You are kidding right..do you think I want to go back to working all day and partying all night?
I finally realised they chase you because you have money and power ..I don't know how I could live such a shallow existence for some thirty years.

 

[Jan Ardena]

Now I will start..the sediment layers are laid down over considerable time such that each layer can be dated and therefore the fossils found in that layer can be dated..accurately. Before we proceed do you wish to add to that or suggest where my interpretation could be improved?

I look forward to your comment.

You could explain the massive explosion of complete forms, found in the cambrian layer.
Compared to the scantily clad Precambrian layer.

Now now ... Will you swear that you watched the video? I don't need you to sidestep with an irrelevant observation.

No.
Accept it or not.
It’s up to you.

me

Only to scavenge for food.
Had to reawaken evolutionary hunter-gatherer trait.

 

[Jan Ardena]

Words alone are not sufficient in describing the lies and denials and redefining words undertaken by Jan on his crusade....
so.......

Still no reasons for you think your belief is a scientific fact?
I’ll wait.

 

[Jan Ardena]

I finally realised they chase you because you have money and power ..I don't know how I could live such a shallow existence for some thirty years.

Don’t make the same mistake twice.
There’s still time.

 

[paddoboy]

You could explain the massive explosion of complete forms, found in the cambrian layer.
Compared to the scantily clad Precambrian layer.

Your magic spaghetti monster of choice?

No.
Accept it or not.
It’s up to you.

I will except that you have proven yourself a liar on at least two occasions, and a dishonest habit of redefining words to suit your agenda.

Still no reasons for you think your belief is a scientific fact?
I’ll wait.

That's only because

 

[Jan Ardena]

That is beyond his childish capabilities. I'm pretty sure this will continue until moderation action is needed, due to the obfuscation, playing dumb and down right lies being undertaken by Jan.

You want me banned so you can save face, and go pretending you saw me off.
As far as this topic is concerned. You’ve failed to give account of why you think darwinism is a fact. By darwinism I specifically mean one type of animal transforming into a completely different type.
And yes Alex, I saw the analogy with George Bush, in that video.
That is such a poor analogy, it makes wonder why you have a problem with my brilliant ones.

 

[Jan Ardena]

Your magic spaghetti monster of choice?

And you call me a troll.

I will except that you have proven yourself a liar on at least two occasions, and a dishonest habit of redefining words to suit your agenda.

You’re a coward. By making up accusations.
If I am a liar, redefiner of words. Show it.
Also explain why you personally accept darwinism as a scientific fact.
I must have asked near enough 10 times.

 

[paddoboy]

You want me banned so you can save face, and go pretending you saw me off.
As far as this topic is concerned. You’ve failed to give account of why you think darwinism is a fact. By darwinism I specifically mean one type of animal transforming into a completely different type.
And yes Alex, I saw the analogy with George Bush, in that video.
That is such a poor analogy, it makes wonder why you have a problem with my brilliant ones.

Jan your delusions of grandeur are worrying to say the least.
This isn't about you, its about refuting your continued lies and redefining of words to suit your agenda....It's about you trying to refute near 100 years of Darwinism and the theory of evolution...It's about you protecting your mythical beliefs and lies...It;s about you saving face. Macro and micro evolution are two sides of the same coin and one would need to be bereft of all his senses to not being able to see that connection.
For the umpteenth time, you will wake up in the morning and Darwinism and evolution will still be fact,,,In a hundred years time it will still be fact, but I suggest there maybe less crazies running round conducting crusades against scientific fact, then you are doing today.
The simple fact of the two points I have picked you up on [one redefining words and the other having the gaul to ask for links after deridng every reputable link given to you] paint you as a fraud and a liar.

 

[paddoboy]

And you call me a troll.

Yes as others have and I'll prove it in the following.....

You’re a coward. By making up accusations.
If I am a liar, redefiner of words. Show it.

I see...Perhaps I'm being tough on calling you a liar...perhaps it is dementia...my apologies.

Actually the evidence shows you as the liar...or perhaps you are just stupid...or maybe demented and have trouble remembering?

Atheism itself implies God exists

Which is it Jan? Lying, stupid or demented?

To say Atheism implies god, shows how dishonest you are [or demented] and is the most recent example of you redefining words.

 

[paddoboy]

That was post 965 Jan

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

You could explain the massive explosion of complete forms, found in the cambrian layer.
Compared to the scantily clad Precambrian layer.

No not off hand.
Do you have any thoughts...

also that soft tissue thing can you give me a link please?

No.
Accept it or not.
It’s up to you.

I would have been disappointed if you had replied in any other way.
I will proceed on the basis that I can take you at your word.

Don’t make the same mistake twice

I made it twice...why do you think I like being a hermit.

Finally I saw the light Jan which is no more than an honest assessment of the situation.
I am tired of folk relying on my power...I am on the final run and it is all I can do to feed myself and do simple chores..I am old and near cripple...

My mate would introduce me to ladies at the pub in the town where I had my yatch moored ..telling them in one breath that I had the boat and lived in a rather posh suburb and had 200 hundred acres up North ( which was a terrible picture of the reality)...but it was always love at first sight..for them...how they threw themselves at the imaginary money.

I have been around the block more than most Jan and I can say so many humans are less than I would like them to be..not judging mind you...really the ladies seemed to like me cause I listened to them..and as one once said..and there is a message here..you know Alex I like you because you talk to me not my tits...

There’s still time.

You think morality can only be had from the authority of scripture whereas I say that one builds morality without pressure to satisfy someone else...I am lucky I can do that others need more...the scriptures provide so much to select from that finally you also must take bits and pieces and build a decent model. My belief is that personal responsibility is the key rather than abdicare your responsibility to an entity that almost certainly does not exist..my morality stands the test on both sides of reality.
Alex

 

[Jan Ardena]

This isn't about you, its about refuting your continued lies and redefining of words to suit your agenda....

It’s sad that you have to use this kind of tactic to get out of answering hard questions.

It's about you trying to refute near 100 years of Darwinism and the theory of evolution...

I’m asking why the part of the theory I mentioned, is regarded as a scientific fact. I don’t see it, some scientists don’t accept it.

For the umpteenth time, you will wake up in the morning and Darwinism and evolution will still be fact

No I won’t.
But I want to know why you will.
Why don’t you answer my question, instead of evading them?
What are you afraid of?

but I suggest there maybe less crazies running round conducting crusades against scientific fact, then you are doing today.

Why is darwinism a scientific fact? (11)

The simple fact of the two points I have picked you up on [one redefining words and the other having the gaul to ask for links after deridng every reputable link given to you] paint you as a fraud and a liar.

Show where I have lied, or redefined words.
So I can set you straight .
It is rude to falsely accuse people.
Don’t you know that?

 

[Jan Ardena]

paddoboy.

Atheism itself implies God exists

Theism - belief in God, a god, or gods
Atheism - a lack of belief in God, a god, or gods

Both definitions imply God exists.
Atheists simply lack a belief.

There!
So stop with the false allegations.

 

[Jan Ardena]

also that soft tissue thing can you give me a link please?

As it gotcha going?
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/dinosaur-shocker-115306469/

 

[Jan Ardena]

I made it twice...why do you think I like being a hermit.

I imagine that must be a great life, if you can hack it.
I don’t if I could, but I would love to be able to