Absolutely Nothing: Atheists on What They Know About What They Pretend to Discuss

[Xelasnave.1947]

Clearly the bible supports Dawinism.
The metaphors when examined clearly point to Dawinism. The reference to god forming Adam from clay is telling us that life came from a simple cell formed from elements found in the Earth. The flood story sets out how from mass extinction new species evolve and although numerous can be traced to a common ancestor. And so obvious..God the supreme body of knowledge is a metaphor for science.
It's all there.
Alex

 

[Michael 345]

The reference to god forming Adam from clay is telling us that life came from a simple cell formed from elements found in the Earth.

Ah but then he ran out of clay and had to use a rib from Adam

This proves two things

1. Life comes from life
2. Male contribution determines sex

 

[Jan Ardena]

You are, happily, embarrassed it seems to realise the pool you swim in is full of turds.

I am as much embarrassed for them as I am for you. IOW I’m not embarrassed by them at all.
In reality, everybody represents themselves. The idea of being part of a gang, or company, is superficial.

It is a concise summation of all you want to know

I know about the theory. I’ve no problem with the theory.
What I wanted to know was why you personally accepted it as a scientific fact.
You told me that you believe some scientists assertion of it, because it made sense to you.
But in response to your video. It is all theoretical (at best). Show me facts, if you have any. Or explain how and why you see it as a fact.

Will you look at this video?
Will you discuss this video?

Yes on both counts.

Time to show us who you want to be.
Please don't chose the way of the troll

I was never the troll.
I’m actually in a company of trolls. But you aren’t aware of it.

OK make it a discussion on the little video.

I’m interested in discussing it with you.
I want to know why Alex thinks it’s a fact.
I know why James thinks so, and Paddo is just a regurgitator.

if they see you acknowledging that you have watched the video and presenting points from it for sensible discussion.

Well let’s see if they can explain why they see it as a fact, instead of regurgitating more vid, and sites simply reiterating it is a fact without explaining why.

I find you funny also Jan and like talking to you because you can be as flippant as myself. I have learnt not to expect a serious approach from you and that is why I am rarely disappointed or upset with, what others find, frustrating tactics.

Thanks Alex.
Why I like talking to you is precisely because I don’t use tactics. There’s absolutely no need.
I think those guys are upset because it never goes well for them.
They really want to live in a world where everybody agrees with each other.
A world with no difficult questions.
A world where surfaces are never scratched, and people they respect and look up to, are the government. A world where everyone relaxes on Darwin day.

I do enjoy slipping one in now and then when you least expect it But sincerely I wish when I reach my mark you did not get so hurt as that is not my intention.

Alex, this is discussion forum. There is no getting hurt. Sometimes I get the feeling folk like yourself kind of hopes the likes of me get hurt, angry, frustrated, etc.
I’m sorry to disappoint, but so far the harsh reality is, darwinism is at the very best, only a theory, as your video shows. The explanations are purely philosophy dressed as science. But as far as I’m aware there is no way to even scratch the surface as to whether or not it is a scientific fact. It really is a case of the Emperor’s new clothes.
So please give it your best shot.

You will change your tune when you watch the video.

Well I have watched the video because you asked. But it really is just a regurgitation of the same old same old. But I am interested in discussing why you think anything in that vid, pertaining to darwinism is a scientific fact.

You now doubt will provide a roll model for lost causes in general.

Very intuitive Alex.
Darwinism as a scientific fact, is a lost cause, and I hope newbies will see that.

It's perhaps wise to leave all ego at the door

That’s not wise at all Alex.
What you mean is to leave all false egos at the door. Without an ego, you are for all intent and purpose, dead.

I sympathise with the problem, you recognise, and are clearly wrestling with.

No need for sympathy.
Just explain why you regard the contents of that video (pertaining to darwinism), a scientific fact.

But don't be embarrassed to seek professional help your difficulties are nothing to be embarrassed about.

I think they’ll clear up once you give your explanation.

You don't know how happy I was when I found that video that will answer that question for you.

Sorry to disappoint, once again, but it simply informed us that it happened.
Maybe myself, and scientists, for whom the emperor is naked, missed that day when they explained how Fido turned into Willy the Whale. But I’m hoping you can clear that process up, in your explanation of why it is a fact. Looking forward to it.

I feel like a parent waiting for their child to open a present that contains that gift the child has always wished for..I am truly excited Jan...go ahead open it.

I understand. You believe a dog turned into a whale, and that it is not only scientific fact, but actually true. So I am sympathetic to your delusion.
Well actually it was an animal called “pakicetus”.
But hey! It may as well be a dog, for what it’s actually worth.

That idiot is who you allow to represent you.

It may well be a lie, or a con, Alex.
As far as representation for those attributes go, I think he is more representative of you.

In science that is allowed but for them to get anywhere climbing the ladder of credibility they need to provide a better model and the neat thing is we all look forward to a better model.

That applies in the world of science, Alex.
We’ve yet to determine if darwinism is science, and not just an elaborate philosophy.
These scientist don’t accept the model, not because they may have a better model. They just don’t.
It may just be a con.
We are told it is a scientific fact, but no one can show it to be anything but a story, attaching itself to a known fact.
The ID model already kicks darwinism to the side. It is up to date, intuitive. Allowing you to see it for yourself.
I notice your video, didn’t talk about how specified information in the DNA evolved. Hopefully you can fill in the blanks.

The crazy bunch where you get your crazy ideas from.

This is a crazy mob, with crazy ideas.
You all believe darwinism is a scientific fact, but you can’t show or explain why.

The mob here only wants to free you from ignorance and superstition.... the ID mob want to rob you of your ability to reason and ability to learn about how the world works today.

The mob here, is ignorant of ID.
They have to be. Or they’ll wake up.
And they don’t want.

That is who people think about when you align yourself with the cult...they dont see Jan as I do, intelligent and worthy of respect, they see the multitudes of crazy folk threatning hell and rolling on the floor in convultions talking gibberish thinking they are in touch with the creator of the universe.

That is the level they are focused on.
If and when you awaken out of your slumber, you will become aware of the actual variegatedness of life.
Not just the we all came from goo.
Where love, happiness, we’ll-being, intelligence etc, are nothing more than chemical compositions. It is a little wonder you suffer with delusions.
Hopefully I’ll be able to straighten you out, when you see the emperor is as naked as the day that he was born. I bet Darwin is turning in his grave, to see what is going on in his name.

Your mind is clouded no doubt but listen to me, you have to fight hard to escape ..weigh what I say with what they say and ask yourself honestly which makes sense.

My mind is clouded with disbelief as to how you can fall for such a yarn.
But I am going to listen as you go through your reasons as to why you think darwinism is a scientific fact.

Looking forward to it.

 

[Jan Ardena]

That's just another creationist lie. You have continually tried to bolster your flagging agenda, by attempting ridiculing myself and Alex, for as you put it, "regurgitating", when factually, it is you regurgitating a faith based mythical claim about some magical sky daddy.

I haven’t mentioned magical sky daddy once.
You mention it all the time. Regurgitating.
My only agenda here is to enjoy discussing.
No attempt is necessary on my part, when it comes your ridiculing yourself . That’s the one thing you been totally consistent at this whole time.
If you can, please explain, or show, why darwinism is a scientific fact. Otherwise we don’t really need to communicate. I’m willing to accept Alex as your representative.

science is always changing as observations improve,

Then you should have no problem with my request.

Darwinism and the theory of evolution of life, is further bolstered and validated to the overwhelmingly acceptance as a fact.

So was the spontaneous generation theory.
Oops! You think that is a scientific fact as well .
Sorry!
As you were!

Difference though with Alex's and my own acceptance of the facts as borne out continually over near a century, is your own total denial, excuse making, changing and altering of definitions, and dishonesty with regards to those facts, as dictated by your overlords and ID baggage.

What on earth are you blathering on about?

And then the choice is theirs!

The choice is theirs to accept it as a fact or not?
That’s not how it goes mate.
If you can show it to be scientific fact, we all have to accept it, including all scientists.
Nobody disputes evolution.
Folk only dispute darwinism.
As a fanatic, I predict you will conclude that any scientist who doesn’t accept the idea as a fact, is not a proper scientist.

More to the point is the fact that science will always overcome mythical unsupported regurgitated nonsense that you spew.

I believe that science has already overcome darwinism.
Now we just have to tackle the indoctrination, and it’s political prowess.

The facts of Darwinism and theory of evolution, is overwhelmingly supported by the overwhelmingly greater percentage of scientists and other professionals in the field.

And still not one of them can actually show why they believe it to be.
It smacks of dogmatism.
You smack of dogmatism.

Irrespective anyway, as per the links I have given, they will find those reasons on site, in this thread, in between your posts reflecting your irrational denials and preaching.

I’m not irrational.
You are.
You think because scientists are brave enough to to say the emperor is naked, they aren’t acting in the capacity of their respective professions.

50 pages of unsupported preaching and mythical propaganda

More evidence of your delusion.

Yet you are just one step below that fool...

No one who decides to use their God given intelligence (as opposed to an emergent property), will never match down to you delusion.

Keep safe Paddoboy.

 

[(Q)]

If you can show it to be scientific fact, we all have to accept it, including all scientists.
Nobody disputes evolution.
Folk only dispute darwinism.
As a fanatic, I predict you will conclude that any scientist who doesn’t accept the idea as a fact, is not a proper scientist.

They can be scientists and they can also be creationists who, like yourself, reject the facts because of their religious beliefs.

You don't reject other science and neither do they. The only science you both reject is evolution. Therefore, it doesn't matter if they are scientists or not, you both have the same agenda, reject evolution based on your religious beliefs.

I believe that science has already overcome darwinism.
Now we just have to tackle the indoctrination, and it’s political prowess.

Jan has resorted to lying again.

 

[Jan Ardena]

You don't reject other science and neither do they.

Neither do you.

They can be scientists and they can also be creationists who, like yourself, reject the facts because of their religious beliefs.

Yet just a short while ago you were boasting how the Catholic Church accepts darwinian evolution.

You say the words “religious beliefs”, but you don’t understand them.
Your whole motivation is to push darwinism.
That is religious dogma.
Asi

The only science you both reject is evolution.

Aside from your boast about the CC, nobody rejects evolution. They reject darwinism.
I know you need to maintain the idea that they are the same. But obviously they are not.
Many scientist already know that.

Therefore, it doesn't matter if they are scientists or not, you both have the same agenda, reject evolution based on your religious beliefs.

Here you are simply projecting your modus operandi. It doesn’t matter to you that you can’t pinpoint anything that renders darwinism as a scientific fact.

Jan has resorted to lying again.

There’s no need for me to lie.
You can only resort to what others tell you, as evidence. But we both know that is not evidence. It is a theory at best.
Which is why it is called “The Theory of Evolution”.

 

[(Q)]

Neither do you.

Yet just a short while ago you were boasting how the Catholic Church accepts darwinian evolution.

That's right Jan, unlike you, they don't reject the science.

You say the words “religious beliefs”, but you don’t understand them.
Your whole motivation is to push darwinism.
That is religious dogma.
Asi

More lies.

Aside from your boast about the CC, nobody rejects evolution. They reject darwinism.
I know you need to maintain the idea that they are the same. But obviously they are not.
Many scientist already know that.

"The scientific theory of evolution by natural selection was conceived independently by Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace in the mid-19th century and was set out in detail in Darwin's book On the Origin of Species (1859)." Wiki

Here you are simply projecting your modus operandi. It doesn’t matter to you that you can’t pinpoint anything that renders darwinism as a scientific fact.

More lies.

There’s no need for me to lie.

Yet, you are lying. It's the only way you can argue your point. You can't support your creationist position so you are forced to lie about evolution.

You can only resort to what others tell you, as evidence. But we both know that is not evidence. It is a theory at best.
Which is why it is called “The Theory of Evolution”.

And now, you admit you don't even know the very basics of science; what a theory is. How sad and pathetic you creationists are, stooping to the lowest forms form of arguments without even understanding anything about the subject matter.

 

[Jan Ardena]

That's right Jan, unlike you, they don't reject the science.

Rejecting darwinism is not rejecting science.
That’s just dogma talk.
Scientists reject darwinism, which means it is probably not the fact you hope it is.
Now there’s a fact for you.

More lies.

Again you engage in dogma talk.
I have no reason to lie.
You also say scientists who reject darwinism are liars, in so many words.
Everyone who rejects it is a liar, as far as you’re concerned. Can you not see how this is irrational thinking?

"The scientific theory of evolution by natural selection was conceived independently by Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace in the mid-19th century and was set out in detail in Darwin's book On the Origin of Species (1859)." Wiki

And as been dubbed “The Theory Of Evolution “ ever since. And for good reason.
At what point, or discovery, did it become a scientific fact?

Yet, you are lying. It's the only way you can argue your point. You can't support your creationist position so you are forced to lie about evolution.

My creationist position is not in question.
Your Darwinist position is.
Darwinism, if true would not change my perspective. If God is the origin of everything as per definition, then He would be the origin of darwinism.

And now, you admit you don't even know the very basics of science; what a theory is. How sad and pathetic you creationists are, stooping to the lowest forms form of arguments without even understanding anything about the subject matter.

Is that you fusing darwinism and evolution again?
I understand that you have to lash out when your defence has been stripped down, and you are left naked. Just like the emperor.

A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be repeatedly tested and verified in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results.

Fact: In science, an observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and for all practical purposes is accepted as “true.”

The fact of darwinian evolution, namely one type of animal turning into a completely different type eg. Land dog-type animal, into a whale, has not been observed. It cannot be observed.
It may have been the best inference to the evidence in Darwin’s time. But not today.
As I keep saying, some scientists do not accept it as a good model. There must be good reason for that. Just calling them non scientists, or rat-bags (Paddoboy), does not strengthen your plight any better. It weakens it.

 

[(Q)]

Rejecting darwinism is not rejecting science.
That’s just dogma talk.
Scientists reject darwinism, which means it is probably not the fact you hope it is.
Now there’s a fact for you.

It's funny that you lie but you actually think they're facts. How sad is that.

Again you engage in dogma talk.
I have no reason to lie.

That is a lie unto itself.

You also say scientists who reject darwinism are liars, in so many words.
Everyone who rejects it is a liar, as far as you’re concerned. Can you not see how this is irrational thinking?

Can you see how you are the liar?

And as been dubbed “The Theory Of Evolution “ ever since. And for good reason.
At what point, or discovery, did it become a scientific fact?

I see you continue to admit you have never bothered to look at evolution.

My creationist position is not in question.
Your Darwinist position is.
Darwinism, if true would not change my perspective.

Of course it would change your perspective, that is, if you were honest.

If God is the origin of everything as per definition, then He would be the origin of darwinism.

Lol. Your arguments get sillier with each passing day.

Is that you fusing darwinism and evolution again?

No, that's you not understanding evolution.

A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be repeatedly tested and verified in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results.

Fact: In science, an observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and for all practical purposes is accepted as “true.”

So you can copy/paste but still not understand what it is you're pasting.

The fact of darwinian evolution, namely one type of animal turning into a completely different type eg. Land dog-type animal, into a whale, has not been observed. It cannot be observed.

It is observed through the fossil record, dummy.

It may have been the best inference to the evidence in Darwin’s time. But not today.
As I keep saying, some scientists do not accept it as a good model. There must be good reason for that.

Their reason is not good, they reject the facts of evolution because they have a creationist agenda, just like you.

Just calling them non scientists, or rat-bags (Paddoboy), does not strengthen your plight any better. It weakens it.

How about, "Liars for Jesus"? That pretty much sums up both you and them.

 

[billvon]

Rejecting darwinism is not rejecting science.

Of course it is. It's like rejecting germ theory or relativity.

Scientists reject darwinism

Of course. You can find a "scientist" who rejects anything you like. (Especially since there are organizations who will pay scientists very handsomely to deny evolution.)

And as been dubbed “The Theory Of Evolution “ ever since. And for good reason.

So do you reject the theory of relativity since "it's only a theory?"

You are yet another creationist who doesn't understand what a theory is. It's a common issue.

My creationist position is not in question.

Your creationist position is what you base all your arguments on.

The fact of darwinian evolution, namely one type of animal turning into a completely different type eg. Land dog-type animal, into a whale, has not been observed. It cannot be observed.

I've already given you an example of something that looks like a dog into a whale. Facts, based on the fossil record.

As I keep saying, some scientists do not accept it as a good model. There must be good reason for that.

Of course there is - $$$. If you pay anyone to espouse a viewpoint, they will. The Discovery Institute specializes in this; they even published a document (the "wedge document") that explains how their goal is to use paid "scientists" who publish science-y sounding stuff to drive a wedge between science and people.

 

[Jan Ardena]

It's funny that you lie but you actually think they're facts. How sad is that.

Are you saying there are no scientists who do not accept darwinism?

Can you see how you are the liar?

No.
You said some scientists reject facts because of their religious bias? Is that a lie.
Do you think some atheist scientists reject facts because it interferes with darwinism?

Of course it would change your perspective, that is, if you were honest.

Why would it?

Your creationist position is what you base all your arguments on.

No it’s not.
You don’t have to be a creationist to reject darwinism.

I've already given you an example of something that looks like a dog into a whale. Facts, based on the fossil record.

How can you tell?
How do you know it’s not true?

Of course there is - $$$. If you pay anyone to espouse a viewpoint, they will. The Discovery Institute specializes in this; they even published a document (the "wedge document") that explains how their goal is to use paid "scientists" who publish science-y sounding stuff to drive a wedge between science and people.

That’s interesting.
Can you provide a link?

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

But I am going to listen as you go through your reasons as to why you think darwinism is a scientific fact.

Looking forward to it.

Well I am afraid I won't be spending any more time with you on this Jan.

Your response is disappointing to say the least.

Have a great day.

Alex

 

[Write4U]

"The scientific theory of evolution by natural selection was conceived independently by Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace in the mid-19th century and was set out in detail in Darwin's book On the Origin of Species (1859)." Wiki

And has been confirmed by the Pontifical Academy of Sciences of the Vatican and two Popes.

jan is arguing against both science AND religion, isn't that precious.....

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

My friends...there is no need to judge Jan... he does not become a liar or a fool because he is qualified as such by others as holding such attributes it is his actions that define him.

The fact that his trolling earns him no ban indicates that he is an asset of this site.

I have disengaged as if there was any victory to be had I am satisfied that I have taken it and so I wish to retire undefeated knowing that not only have I exposed Jan beyond a shadow of a doubt but that I have done so and he does not even realise that I delivered a fatal blow yet most of you have seen it and smile. That is entirely satisfying knowing he fell in my trap and more so that his arrogance renders him incapable of realising what I did...maybe some of you missed it as it was incredibly subtle..enough rope and all that.

I feel rather pleased with myself actually.

Alex

 

[paddoboy]

It appears I may have gotten to Jan on some issues, since he has seen the need to mention my name repeatedly and in less then complimentary terms. So many lies and misinterpretations to refute, so many erroneous redefining of words by Jan to support a mythical position, and so little time. Obviously even educated children would be able to see the lies being spewed by Jan the crusader, so I'll just touch on a few points.

I know about the theory. I’ve no problem with the theory.
What I wanted to know was why you personally accepted it as a scientific fact.
You told me that you believe some scientists assertion of it, because it made sense to you.
But in response to your video. It is all theoretical (at best). Show me facts, if you have any. Or explain how and why you see it as a fact. [.QUOTE]
And the lies and redefining continues. The many links already given support the Darwinism and theory of evolution stance.
Darwinism and the theory of evolution has like any theory gained in certainty over many many years, to the position now that it is seen as fact. Your usual boring rhetoric and preaching re trying to redefine micro and macro evolution, denying one while accepting the other, is so stupid and irrational, as to confirm another fact that others have mention. That being that you are no more then a simple evangelistic troll.

I was never the troll.

Facts are that so far I have shown you to insidiously redefine words to reflect your position, and to be dishonest to boot, facts that others have also noted, which certainly defines you as a troll.

Well let’s see if they can explain why they see it as a fact, instead of regurgitating more vid, and sites simply reiterating it is a fact without explaining why.

The links explain why, others have explained why, but you are so absolutely brainwashed and fanatical in your defence of your sky daddy, that all you have are lies, misinterpretations, insidiously redefining words, and your continued ignoring of such evidence and facts.

I don’t use tactics. There’s absolutely no need.
I think those guys are upset because it never goes well for them.
They really want to live in a world where everybody agrees with each other.

Not at all, no ones upset, simply see a basic need to help with the ignorance you so readily display, and of course the evidence points to you being the only one upset, particularly with your threats to report me for telling and displaying a fact that you denied. And of course the proof of the pudding is in the eating. Science is a discipline in eternal progress, unlike your religious/IDer nonsense, and is guided by the scientific methodology, something you continually avoid.

A world with no difficult questions.

Science has, and is always answering the difficult questions, and continues to do so, unlike you with your head in the sand, attempting to please your sky daddy and Earthly overlords.

I’m sorry to disappoint, but so far the harsh reality is, darwinism is at the very best, only a theory, as your video shows. The explanations are purely philosophy dressed as science. But as far as I’m aware there is no way to even scratch the surface as to whether or not it is a scientific fact.

More lies, more obtuseness, more head in the sand stubborness, and more continued ignorance.
Let me regurgitate what I have told you at least twice. What you think is your business. What you believe is your business. But surely you must be aware that your continued rhetorical railing against Darwinism and the theory of evolution, is simply not accepted by the vast number of scientists out there. Darwinism and the theory of evolution are fact, and your sky daddy is a superfluous fabricated myth.
When you awake tomorrow morning, that's the way it will be.
You change nothing preaching your anti science crap on some remote forum open to any number of assorted nuts. The facts will stand as always, and in time your myth will collapse.

 

[paddoboy]

double

 

[paddoboy]

Must comment on the following, best laugh I have had in years!!!!

That’s interesting.
Can you provide a link?

Jan is asking for a link!!! Oh jesus christ, the bloody irony of it all!!!

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

It appears I may have gotten to Jan on some issues, since he has seen the need to mention my name repeatedly and in less then complimentary terms.

Absolutely. There were times I could not watch such was the destruction...
And most of the time even when you are really giving it to him he thinks he is winning..it's hilarious.

What I thought was particularly childish was the various attempts to some how turn us against each other..it took me back to when I was kid and you would run into that sort of kid. My mother would explain them away tell8ng me that they were just not like other kids.

I am going to go shopping now but when I get home start going thru the wonderful videos put up by The Atheist Experience where your Christians ring in and present their proof of god... how long has show been going?...Anyways no proof yet..and most of the callers having failed resort to the old ..you will go to hell etc.

And the liars...there is one guy rings up having been done over on an earlier call in who puts on another name and thinks no one sees it's him again..hilarious.

Their childish arrogance prevents them realising they are actually not fooling anyone... And Matt let's this guy run, as we do with Jan, never letting on that his new persona is not known.

Alex
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[Write4U]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote

 

[paddoboy]

I haven’t mentioned magical sky daddy once.
You mention it all the time. Regurgitating.

The facts are Jan, that all your rhetorical nonsense, is driven and based on supporting whatever you see the need to call your magical sky daddy. Something by the way you have never yet divulged. Why not? Where's your intestinal fortitude? You hide behind that veil, and continue to pour your lies and erroneously redefining words to support this mythical creature.

My only agenda here is to enjoy discussing.

The evidence shows you are simply trolling.

If you can, please explain, or show, why darwinism is a scientific fact. Otherwise we don’t really need to communicate. I’m willing to accept Alex as your representative.

So much lying and trolling Jan, will it ever end? Oh, and the little jibe re Alex really hurt me!

Then you should have no problem with my request.

Well since I have already shown you to be a liar or perhaps demented, most will see that as another lie.Your request has been answered many times.

What on earth are you blathering on about?

The fact that you are ignorant and a liar? And that your reject the reputable science, blinkered by your belief in some sky daddy myth?

The choice is theirs to accept it as a fact or not?
That’s not how it goes mate.
If you can show it to be scientific fact, we all have to accept it, including all scientists.

Not likely, and your dishonesty is again brought to the fore. Let me regurgitate again, show me any discipline where it has 100% support. you should know, we will always have fools and nutbags in the world. like for example those that still accept the Earth is flat.

So was the spontaneous generation theory.
Oops! You think that is a scientific fact as well .
Sorry!
As you were!

As you were indeed! Back to lying...or is it ignorance? Spontaneous generation was never a fact..it was a theory, and was quickly dismantled and shown as invalid. That's science Jan, that's how science works Jan. A scientific theory stands as long as it keeps matching and aligning with the observational and experimental evidence. And as it continues to do that it gains in certainty over time, you know, like the BB, SR, GR, Darwinism, the theory of evolution. In some circumstances like Darwinism and the theory of evolution, the certainty reaches such a point it is deemed a fact.
Your rantings and denial do not change that.

I believe that science has already overcome darwinism.
Now we just have to tackle the indoctrination, and it’s political prowess.

I believe in god the father almighty, creator of heaven andEarth, and in jesus christ his only son our lord, etc etc etc etc
Oh such delusional, mythical nonsense!!!

And still not one of them can actually show why they believe it to be.
It smacks of dogmatism.
You smack of dogmatism.

I’m not irrational.
You are.

Priceless!!!!!