Absolutely Nothing: Atheists on What They Know About What They Pretend to Discuss

[James R]

My response to that would be that we know something is “driving” the sun. We just can’t see it.
We don’t have to think we evolved from a common ancestor.

You have a very piecemeal, cherry-picking approach to what you will and will not accept in terms of scientific theories.

You apparently accept that nuclear fusion drives our Sun (correct?). If you trace the implications of that belief back to the source, they entail "believing in" such things as atoms, atomic nuclei, invisible particles like protons and neutrons, the existence of invisible forces such as gravity and the strong and weak nuclear reactions, and lots more besides. You can't see a proton or an atom. So by your argument, you don't have to believe in any of that stuff. And maybe you don't. Maybe you think that you only believe in what you can see with your own eyes. But then, that would be totally inconsistent with your faith in the Sky Daddy, wouldn't it? Maybe you're just confused.

But let's assume you believe the Sun works because nuclear fusion etc. etc. Well, I have news for you. The theory of evolution is just another scientific theory, just like the theory of nuclear fusion. It works exactly the same way. The reasons scientists (and other people) accept the theory of evolution are the same kinds of reasons they accept the theory of nuclear fusion. They accept those theories because they have tremendous and endlessly proven explanatory and predictive power.

Maybe this is not why you accept nuclear fusion. Maybe you accept it just because it "feels right" to you. That would be consistent with your position on such unlikely constructs as God. Or maybe you accept nuclear fusion because you trust what nuclear scientists tell you, and you reject evolution because you don't trust evolutionary biologists. That would be consistent with believing in God because you trust your religious guru, or whoever taught you your religion.

Since you don't really understand how science works - or you pretend you don't - you feel free to cherry pick the parts that appeal to you, while rejecting the parts that conflict with beliefs that are more important to you than truth. This is why you make an interesting study. The constant double-think is fascinating. The back-flips you are willing to put yourself through and the lies you are willing to tell yourself and everybody else. It's a real show.

 

[James R]

People used to think flies spontaneously generated from meat, before they knew better.

People used to believe in Creationism, before they knew better. Some never learned better.

I don’t reject evolution.
I don’t reject darwinism.
I just don’t think it’s a scientific fact (darwinism).

More double-think. Stop telling lies, Jan.

You seem to think theism is based on scripture.
That’s not how it goes.

How does it go? You used to put a lot of emphasis on scripture. Has something changed for you recently?

There may be many human species right now.
It all depends on what constitutes a species.

The usual definition involves being able to mate and produce viable offspring. So, only one human species right now, as far as we can tell.

 

[James R]

But Darwin didn’t observe one type of animal evolving into a completely different type.
He observed what we all know and accept today. That organisms adapt to their circumstances. Not that they completely change into different types.

What happens when a group of animals separates geographically from those of its species and then adapts to the new circumstances in such a way that precludes the separated group breeding with the original group?

Is this not speciation?

How come scientists aren’t interested in Giant skeletons that have been found?

*giggle* Which creationist website did you pull that claim from?

God makes the claim, via scripture, that He is the origin of everything. So you either accept that claim, or not.

Why do you accept it or not? Because it "feels right"?

Apparently they’re finding soft tissue belonging to dinosaurs. There should be non, if dinosaurs died out 65+ million years ago,

*giggle* Which creationist website did you pull that claim from?

The ID approach simply states that this universe has the appearance of a Intelligent Mind, behind it’s manifestation.
DNA for example, as you know, is encoded within it, complex information, and complex information is only observed to come from minds. In a nutshell. Which seems reasonable to me.

It feels right. Yes, I get how this works for you.

That thing about complex information, though: it isn't true. Stop reading the creationist websites, Jan. Read the real stuff.

 

[James R]

The shape of the earth is of no real interest to me.
I do believe it is a globe though.

Why? Because it feels right to you?

 

[Write4U]

Nonsense. The fossils are right there in the rocks. You only have to look.
Right now, we're in the middle of a pandemic caused by an evolved virus. This is not something that happened billions of years ago. It happened last November.
Head in the sand.

There was a great pandemic just seven hundred years ago.

The Black Death, also known as the Pestilence, Great Bubonic Plague, the Great Plague or the Plague, or less commonly the Great Mortality or the Black Plague, was the most devastating pandemic recorded in human history, resulting in the deaths of an estimated 75 to 200 million people in Eurasia, peaking in Europe from 1347 to 1351.

The bacteriumYersinia pestis, which results in several forms of plague (septicemic, pneumonic and, the most common, bubonic), is believed to have been the cause.[4] The Black Death was the first major European outbreak of plague and the second plague pandemic.[5] The plague created a number of religious, social and economic upheavals, with profound effects on the course of European history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death

 

[Write4U]

That would be consistent with believing in God because you trust your religious guru, or whoever taught you your religion.

I am not even following jan's posts, but from the responses I get a distinct impression everyone is adressing a mind that has been severely indoctrinated. Perhaps even forcefully.
Just an intuitive impression....

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Love it!!! Seriously though, one must stare in disbelief at the ignorance and stupidity of people like this, both the sickening pastors/preachers, and the gullible fools that swallow their nonsense!!!! really sad.

Take a look at The Athiest Experience and just listen to the Christians who call in...
And consider the number of very rich pastors who talk nonsense like Copeland and you realise these pastors have a huge following of crazy gullible people simply indicated by their wealth...Google wealthy pastors and count how many have private jets and palaces for homes...
I think you have finished Jan off and with James giving him a pasting I doubt if he will be back really.
Alex

 

[Jan Ardena]

I think you have finished Jan off and with James giving him a pasting I doubt if he will be back really.

You don’t mean that.
I just waited until the religious Fervour calms down.

You can guarantee that every time darwinists on this site get ousted for not belong able to show why they personally believe one type of animals changes into a different type. And begin to realise that it is a religion, and Darwin is its deity. They go into complete irrational mode. Where they can’t discuss, answer questions, or treat people who don’t think like them with decency.

Out come the religious videos.
Out come the insults.
Out come the ‘ID’ folk are liars.
Out comes Christopher Hitchens videos.
Out come the George Carlin videos.
Then James R rolls out one of his summaries.

You’re very predictable.
I call it the ‘Darwinist Yee-Haw’.
Where ya’ll good ole boys can let your hair down, and your ignorance loose.

It’s all part of your religion.

As for Paddo!
I call him the regurgitator, because all he does is regurgitate Darwinian information.
He actually has no clue as to why it is a scientific fact. Like the the many science students on college campus.

Anyways.
Keep safe.

 

[Beer w/Straw]

NTD News?

 

[Jan Ardena]

I am not even following jan's posts, but from the responses I get a distinct impression everyone is adressing a mind that has been severely indoctrinated. Perhaps even forcefully.
Just an intuitive impression.

Of course you do Write4U.

 

[paddoboy]

You don’t mean that.
I just waited until the religious Fervour calms down.

You can guarantee that every time darwinists on this site get ousted for not belong able to show why they personally believe one type of animals changes into a different type. And begin to realise that it is a religion, and Darwin is its deity. They go into complete irrational mode. Where they can’t discuss, answer questions, or treat people who don’t think like them with decency.

Out come the religious videos.
Out come the insults.
Out come the ‘ID’ folk are liars.
Out comes Christopher Hitchens videos.
Out come the George Carlin videos.
Then James R rolls out one of his summaries.

You’re very predictable.
I call it the ‘Darwinist Yee-Haw’.
Where ya’ll good ole boys can let your hair down, and your ignorance loose.

It’s all part of your religion.

As for Paddo!
I call him the regurgitator, because all he does is regurgitate Darwinian information.
He actually has no clue as to why it is a scientific fact. Like the the many science students on college campus.

Anyways.
Keep safe.

You can call it and me, anything you like, but it doesn't change the observational fact that you are a cunning liar, and simply apply your own definitions to various words, to bolster the sagging foundations of your mythical sky daddy and associated myths. But gee, I must have hit a nerve somewhere to get special mention in your rhetoric!
And yes, it has got rather boring refuting your nonsense and the crusade you are apparently on, with some worn out old Donkey rather then a white charger!!!

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

NTD News?

Fake News generated to sell ventilators.
God's solution to climate change.
Let us gather, hold hands and prey but if you can't get to church put your hands on Copelands face on tv ..well one hand leaving the other free to...well you know.

Alex

 

[Jan Ardena]

and simply apply your own definitions to various words,

An accusation you have yet to back up.
Methinks you are the liar.

But gee, I must have hit a nerve somewhere to get special mention in your rhetoric!

Gee! You really are fixated on hitting a nerve of mine, or me being angry. Makes me think that is what you hope to achieve.
It’s hardly surprising, as you have nothing to offer, other than a belief that seems to border on fanatical.

And yes, it has got rather boring refuting your nonsense and the crusade you are apparently on, with some worn out old Donkey rather then a white charger!!!

You are incapable of refuting anything.
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
You tried to regurgitate some information, thinking that would do as scientific evidence for darwinism. Only to be woken up by moi.
The Emperor is still as naked, as the day that he was born. You know it, and I know it. The difference being you don’t want to accept it.

 

[foghorn]

put your hands on Copelands face on tv ..well one hand leaving the other free to...well you know.

Hold the tv remote?

 

[(Q)]

Only to be woken up by moi.
The Emperor is still as naked, as the day that he was born. You know it, and I know it. The difference being you don’t want to accept it.

It's truly amazing that no matter what the subject matter, from religion to science, Jan is waking us up and we are in denial.

Could it be that Jan is our savior? Does he place himself on the mount to sermon us poor delusional heretics with his special holy wisdom?

 

[paddoboy]

An accusation you have yet to back up.
Methinks you are the liar.

Nup, I have backed it up twice since I first accused you of it, and you took pretentious shock and horror to the fact...last one of course was your diabolical definition of your sky daddy.

Gee! You really are fixated on hitting a nerve of mine, or me being angry. Makes me think that is what you hope to achieve.
It’s hardly surprising, as you have nothing to offer, other than a belief that seems to border on fanatical.

Again no, obviously the pretentious manner you continue your lies, misinterpretations and definitions is evident of your arse to the wall rhetoric.

You are incapable of refuting anything.

Well, I have, many times, as have others.

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

Well, I certainly have picked you up on a few occasions, particularly re your redefining of words to bolster your agenda.

You tried to regurgitate some information, thinking that would do as scientific evidence for darwinism. Only to be woken up by moi.

Two monumental errors there, you pretentiously claiming to have woke anyone up, when it is you pushing fabricated myths, and of course I don't personally need to regurgitate anything as evidence for Darwinism, and the theory of evolution, as it is common knowledge, that it is fact. You denying that, makes no difference, and that you really need to live with and inform your overlords of.

The Emperor is still as naked, as the day that he was born. You know it, and I know it. The difference being you don’t want to accept it.

Nup Jan, really, its simply childish nonsense, to try and turn the tables with accusations that literally, observationally and factually apply to your self! Now go get some clothes on!!!

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

You don’t mean that

Of course I don't Jan, just a little dig to get your heart pumping.

Out come the insults.

I apologise if in my religious fervour I became insulting Jan.. sincerely without reservation.

Staying a theist because you see some hint of decency, perhaps, to me is like staying a Nazi because Hitler developed the people's car..the little Porsch, the humble VW...surely there comes a time for you where you ask yourself "Do I really belong in this group of crazy people?"

I see the fools on you tube like the banana man, the Copeland guy who I strongly feel is a con man, the crazy folk talking in tounges, the masses with the costumes and I just hate to think you are swiming in that turd filled pool, having taken in so much filth that your vitals have been poisoned and you have lost all ability to reason.

I sincerely think it is tradgic to see a fine human such as yourself destroyed.

I would be interested to hear from you as to how you can stay in the pool.

As for Paddo!

I know he may seem harsh on you but he is just as concerned for you as I am I suspect..I can't speak for others but I bet their harsh approaches, even insults, are made to shake you out of the spell that holds you captive.

Surely you must recognise your railing against Dawinism is not driven by logic and your determination to overlook the evidence is driven by your unfortunate belief, perhaps your big wish, that there is a creator who built a huge universe just for us. If your creator does indeed exist in some form is it not reasonable to conclude we can know nothing about it, that it's inspiration would result in more than obscure indeed vague messages apparently given to ancient folk who had so little understanding of the world.

Moreover if you take Dawinism off the table it's absence does not prove a god, if you see design it does not prove God...God is an empty wish unfortunately.

He actually has no clue as to why it is a scientific fact. Like the the many science students on college campus.

Paddo has a clue, Q has a clue, I have a clue, James has a clue, W4U has a clue BWStraw has a clue and you could also if you put as much time into pursuing the reality that science shows to us as you do chasing the shadows of spirituality.

I can't talk about the students on college campus and perhaps to reach for such a generalisation erodes your position rather than to support it.

The reason I became worked up with the Christian cult in my post was that their stupidity not only puts them at risk but has the potential to destroy the good work sensible folk are doing to contain the virus. And of course when any of these folk find they have symptoms do you think they will seek treatment in their church?...no but they will put extra un necessary strain on an overburdened system...and you..not one single word to condemn their irresponsible behaviour...

How do you defend some fool who can only say that the people who die from the virus deserve it because they have gone against god...just one of the many disgusting turds in your pool Jan...really how do you ignore such vile behaviour and not jump out of that pool...???...


The insults you attract are acts of desperate frustration from people who want to see you escape this evil spell that hold you captive...
Stay safe.

Alex

 

[Jan Ardena]

Nup, I have backed it up twice since

Stop lying.

Again no, obviously the pretentious manner you continue your lies,

Back up your accusation.

Well, I have, many times,

No you haven’t.
I now understand that you are incapable of such a task.

Well, I certainly have picked you up on a few occasions, particularly re your redefining of words to bolster your agenda.

You are incapable of such a task.
All you seem to do is insult, and lie.

I don't personally need to regurgitate anything as evidence for Darwinism,

Well you certainly are incapable of explaining what the evidence was that made you accept darwinism as a scientific fact. All you could was show writings of people saying there is evidence of darwinism.

and the theory of evolution, as it is common knowledge, that it is fact.

Suppose it must be a scientific fact then

You denying that, makes no difference, and that you really need to live with and inform your overlords of.

Don’t have to deny it.
There’s nothing to accept or deny.
Plus, unless you’re an explicit, it’s not even worth believing.

Nup Jan, really, its simply childish nonsense, to try and turn the tables with accusations that literally, observationally and factually apply to your self! Now go get some clothes on

The Emperor is as naked as the day that he was born Paddo. There is no evidence that shows darwinism to be a scientific fact. We both know it.

 

[Jan Ardena]

Surely you must recognise your railing against Dawinism

I would probably rail against it, if there was something to rail against.
Do you have anything to offer?

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Hold the tv remote?

Exactly so you can change the channel before you throw up.
Alex