Absolutely Nothing: Atheists on What They Know About What They Pretend to Discuss

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Because every example given so far has been rubbish.

Remember the banana example? Intelligently designed by God to be the perfect food! Look! It comes with a protective, non-slip surface to hold, which is also biodegradable and sits "gracefully" over the human hand. It is curved towards the face for ease of consumption. There is a "pull tab" at the "top" for easy access. It even has a simple color code to show ripeness: Green, too early. Yellow, just right. Black, too late.

Again, rubbish.

What's really hilarious, yet very sad about bananas is that 99% of all bananas sold commercially are clones of the Cavendish banana, cultivated from greenhouses in England by William Cavendish, 6th Duke of Devonshire. Currently, diseases are threatening this banana into extinction while scientists are scrambling to produce a banana that tastes as good and will be resilient to those diseases. It isn't looking good for the banana.

 

[paddoboy]

I believe its pertinent and perhaps beneficial to some to post the following article here. It shows and validates the power and predictability of science in general......
The article is also posted in the Biology section as a separate thread.......
https://newatlas.com/science/oldest-animal-ancestor-fossils-ikaria-warioota/

Researchers have discovered the fossilized remains of the oldest known ancestor of almost every animal in existence today. The creature, named Ikaria wariootia, is a wormlike animal about the size of a grain of rice, and it appears to be the earliest example of the bilaterian body shape that’s common to the overwhelming majority of animals ever since.

Even if you don’t recognize the term, you know the concept of a bilaterian. It’s an animal whose body has two symmetrical sides, with a mouth at one end and an anus at the other. This basic structure has proven so successful that it’s been conserved across hundreds of millions of years of evolution and countless incarnations, from ducks to dogs to dinosaurs. In fact, only a fraction of animals, like sponges and jellyfish, aren’t bilaterian.

And now, researchers have found the oldest known ancestor of this widespread group, dating back 555 million years. Ikaria looked a little like a slug, measuring between 2 and 7 mm (0.08 and 0.29 in) long and 1 and 2.5 mm (0.04 and 0.1 in) wide. It was very clearly symmetrical, and evidence points to it having a mouth, a gut and an anus – all features of bilaterians.

This timeframe neatly lines up with what evolutionary biologists have long believed about the beginning of bilaterians. Ikaria’s age places it in the Ediacaran Period, a time when life on Earth was really starting to take off.
"This is what evolutionary biologists predicted"
more at link......
the paper:
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/03/17/2001045117


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So much easier to be in awe and wonder of science, the universe around us, the evolution of life and Darwinism, and Abiogenesis, then some mythical, imaginary sky daddy.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

What's really hilarious, yet very sad about bananas is that 99% of all bananas sold commercially are clones of the Cavendish banana, cultivated from greenhouses in England by William Cavendish, 6th Duke of Devonshire. Currently, diseases are threatening this banana into extinction while scientists are scrambling to produce a banana that tastes as good and will be resilient to those diseases. It isn't looking good for the banana.

So man effectively "made" the banana somewhat the same way he made god and so we can conclude that it is man that is the intelligent designer of at least of few things but the god design probably has too many inconsistent features to be called intelligently designed however certainly designed none the less.
Alex

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

We really are going to have to get a bigger pool...there are just so many turds.
These people are dangerous. The video is short.

Alex

 

[(Q)]

So man effectively "made" the banana somewhat the same way he made god and so we can conclude that it is man that is the intelligent designer of at least of few things but the god design probably has too many inconsistent features to be called intelligently designed however certainly designed none the less.
Alex

This isn't the first time either, the Cavendish replaced the "Big Mike" banana back in the 1950's after it got wiped by disease. The Big Mike was a larger better tasting banana. At this time, I believe over 40% of the Cavendish production has already been wiped out with the remaining most likely seeing the same fate as it's predecessor due to disease. If that happens, we won't have bananas until they develop another that can grow in same soils. They are already predicting that banana will again not be as good tasting and most likely even smaller, that is, if they can cultivate one.

I wonder what Ray Comfort would have to say about this.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Now that I have learnt Jans fine art of reading between the lines I cant help but wonder if the real reason these characters will not close the services is that to do so would reduce revenue just as it would for any other business.

Alex

 

[Beer w/Straw]

We really are going to have to get a bigger pool...there are just so many turds.
These people are dangerous. The video is short.

Alex

Whoa! That is such a way constrasting message than spam I've received it's almost funny: porn ads telling me to stay home and masturbate.

 

[paddoboy]

We really are going to have to get a bigger pool...there are just so many turds.
These people are dangerous. The video is short.

Alex

Love it!!! Seriously though, one must stare in disbelief at the ignorance and stupidity of people like this, both the sickening pastors/preachers, and the gullible fools that swallow their nonsense!!!! really sad.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

I wonder what Ray Comfort would have to say about this.

Let me guess.
Perhaps something like this....God gave us the banana and it was good but the sinners failed to appreciate gods most wonderful gift and so god created a pestilence to destroy his gift ...read all about it in my book "how god loves you" only $29.95 buy half a dozen and get a copy of my new book "How to pray away the virus" these make wonderful gifts and table revelers.

Alex

 

[(Q)]

Now that I have learnt Jans fine art of reading between the lines I cant help but wonder if the real reason these characters will not close the services is that to do so would reduce revenue just as it would for any other business.

Alex

New candidates for the Darwin Awards. Does religion make people stupid or does it just attract stupid people?

 

[paddoboy]

Now that I have learnt Jans fine art of reading between the lines I cant help but wonder if the real reason these characters will not close the services is that to do so would reduce revenue just as it would for any other business.

The Cops had the job yesterday in Sydney's China Town, of closing down a local rub and tug joint, under the guise of a massage studio....$5000 fine for the owner and a $1000 fine for each of three massuese that were attending to clients

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Whoa! That is such a way constrasting message than spam I've received it's almost funny: porn ads telling me to stay home and masturbate.

As Jan says you must be guided by your feelings...please try and get that message out to the churches in your area..tell them god told you in a dream.
Alex

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

New candidates for the Darwin Awards. Does religion make people stupid or does it just attract stupid people?

It's probably a little of both.
However I know a chap who if religion is not mentioned you could not fail to respect his presentation, his general outlook and skill...but when he talks religion he is truly insane,...he talks of culling gays for example...and what do you do or say when in the presence of someone like that? Well you agree with everything he says is the first thing you realise as you do not want to be on that guys hate list.
Now he was raised in a god fearing family, he went to a private god fearing school but somehow married someone outside the group...well that did not last...and he gets no input other than his god group..I certainly would not say one thing to him..you could only lose..the spin off is being capable in other areas folk look up to him..a stupid person would be entirely overwhelmed by him.
And climate change...not a problem as that is not in gods plan...what do you say to someone like that...absolutely nothing..I am reasonably brave but that guy fills me with fear.
Worst of all you know he is just one of many who would kill you in a blink knowing they are doing gods work.
The intolerance is what I don't get..I once was a Christian and I thought the message was love your fellow man, be positive etc...where do they get the message of hate is my question.
Alex

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Stop worrying message just in...(under 2 mins)

Alex

 

[Write4U]

Whoa! That is such a way constrasting message than spam I've received it's almost funny: porn ads telling me to stay home and masturbate.

While watching a scantily clad pretty lady peel a banana!

 

[James R]

Darwinism is your religion.

The theory of evolution is a scientific theory, not a religion. You've had ample opportunity to learn the difference between the two, but still you stick your head in the sand and tell lies knowingly. Is this what your faith teaches you to do?

All the evidence suggests (what is termed) microevolution.

The macro/micro distinction is an invention of creationists. The scientific theory makes no such distinction. If you understood the theory at all, you'd realise that only a severe case of cognitive dissonance would let you accept the one and reject the other. Simple ignorance will, however, do the same job nicely.

You think your belief system is under attack, so you draw out the testimony of other practitioners, who simply say “there evidence of darwinism. All the while not showing anything that remotely leads to it

All of biology is evidence of "Darwinism". You only have to be open to learning about the theory and to looking around you. You're hopelessly blinded by your religion - arrogantly blind. Also a liar many times over. You have been shown, personally, evidence for evolution time and again on this very forum. Sure, you deny it all, but these lies about how you were never shown any evidence just make you look desperate.

 

[James R]

Did you know the Aussie’s have a cure for this Coronavirus!

Any cure for the coronavirus will come from scientists. Your God won't do anything, as usual.

The scientists will draw on knowledge they have about genetics and biological processes, all in the context of evolutionary understandings.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Having experienced a horrible crushing from Paddo I predict it will be a couple of days before Jan will recover.
Alex

 

[James R]

Some would say that hot dense state, the point of singularity, represents the beginning.

I'm not sure why you keep going on about the big bang. That's a theory that is accepted by scientists. Nobody is arguing against it here.

I suppose your fixation must be because you get to cherry pick a piece of science that you believe supports your God belief. Since you reject so much other science, I guess it helps shore up your belief that you're a rational person, or something.

The big question, of course, is that if we accept that our universe had a beginning, what - if anything - caused that beginning? Your answer is God, naturally, but you have zero evidence for that. There is only your faith. Meanwhile, the scientists say: we don't know yet. As usually, you mistake your own belief for knowledge. You can't tell the difference. You never have been able to make that distinction meaningfully.

How is the example of a crocoduck, any worse than Fido —->Whilly?

There are no fossils of crocoducks, for starters. Transitional land-animal/whale fossils, on the other hand? We have quite a few of those.

How does extinction show that darwinism took place?

Let me ask you some questions. They are very simple, but I expect you'll avoid them or ignore them, as usual.

1. Is it true that, in general, the resources (food, shelter, water, etc.) necessary for the survival of individual animals are usually limited?
2. Is it true that, in general, a limited geographical area can only "carry" a limited number of individual animals of a certain type (in terms of supplying the necessary food, shelter, water etc.)?
3. Is it true that animal numbers tend to increase over time in environments where resources are plentiful?
4. In the steady state, is it true, in general, that individuals of the same species will have to compete for limited resources?
5. Is it true that animals who compete more successfully are more likely to survive to reproduce?
6. Is it true that there is variation among individual animals? (Some run a little faster than others, some are more resilient in the face of hunger, etc. etc.)?
7. If you have answered "yes" to the above questions, how does it not follow that traits that assist survival to reproductive age will not come, in any animal population, to dominate the population over many generations?

It simply means that species die out.

Why do species die out? Which species die out, and which survive? What determines that?

But why invoke darwinism? Especially as it has to be believed, or accepted on trust.

How did you go with the questions I just put to you? Where is the trust in any of that?

The majority of people who believe in darwinism, are like you, in that they do not know much, or anything about it.

Says the man who refuses to learn anything about "Darwinism".

You’re assuming the eye as evolved (darwinian]. Do you believe the eye has evolved, or do you have scientific evidence?

There's evidence that not only did it evolve, but it evolved separately six or seven times (or more).

Why don't you search for some evidence? It's not hard to find. See what you can dig up.

 

[James R]

The fossil record is an interpretation of the available evidence.

Nonsense. The fossils are right there in the rocks. You only have to look.

Just saying it occurs over billions of years, and therefore cannot be seen directly, cannot be classed as a real fact, because it has not been observed.

Right now, we're in the middle of a pandemic caused by an evolved virus. This is not something that happened billions of years ago. It happened last November.

Head in the sand.

Natural selection
These are the key points of evolution by natural selection:

• Individuals in a species show a wide range of variation.
• Inherited variation is due to differences in their genes.
• Individuals with the features that are best suited to the environment are more likely to survive and reproduce.
• The genes that allow these individuals to be successful are passed to their offspring.
• Individuals that are poorly adapted to their environment are less likely to survive and reproduce. This means that their genes are less likely to be passed to the next generation.
• Over many generations these small differences add up to the new evolution of species.

Given enough time, a population may change so much it may even become a new species, unable to reproduce successfully with individuals of the original species.

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I agree with every point, bar the last bullet point (depending on what it means), and the conclusion.
Why do you accept the conclusion?

Because the conclusion follows logically and inevitably from what went before.