hey, why don't you learn how to care about your own life without killing innocent people, smart ass?
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hey, why don't you learn how to care about your own life without killing innocent people, smart ass?
you know VI, there have been plenty of women who have intentionally killed their own babies for the same reasons you're citing for having an abortion. they just do it a little later rather than a little sooner. but i'm sure their reasons for doing it are just as good as yours would be for having an abortion.
Originally Posted by cluelusshusbund
...what causes ego/selfisness in 1 person an not so much in anuther.???
Are people borned wit such an affinity.???
You'r ideas about aborton are based on you'r beleifs about Gods purpos for us... so if you beter esplaned you'r beleifs mayb mor people woud beter understan you'r positon on aborton.!!!
So God intentionaly creates us flawed... which makes it inevitable that we will sin... an Gods reason for doin that is cause we have to esperience sin to (hopfully) learn from it... an we are reincarnated cause 1 life-time ant enuff to esperience all the sins God made avalable to us... an the ones who change for the beter after esperiencin those sins will be allowed to leave earf/hell an go live wit Jesus... but som of us had rather not change for the beter an stay here in hell an keep on sinnin... but what causes som people to choose sin/hell insted of God/heaven.???
...what causes ego/selfisness in 1 person an not so much in anuther.???
Are people borned wit such an affinity.???
You'r ideas about aborton are based on you'r beleifs about Gods purpos for us... so if you beter esplaned you'r beleifs mayb mor people woud beter understan you'r positon on aborton.!!!
So God intentionaly creates us flawed... which makes it inevitable that we will sin... an Gods reason for doin that is cause we have to esperience sin to (hopfully) learn from it... an we are reincarnated cause 1 life-time ant enuff to esperience all the sins God made avalable to us... an the ones who change for the beter after esperiencin those sins will be allowed to leave earf/hell an go live wit Jesus... but som of us had rather not change for the beter an stay here in hell an keep on sinnin... but what causes som people to choose sin/hell insted of God/heaven.???
All right, Lori, you're going on my ignore list.
Every time I try and make a point to you you just spew hysteria and call me selfish.
I'm taking myself and my lovely lean non-pregnant body off out now. Happy crying and pissing and general wacknut behavior.
Every time I try and make a point to you you just spew hysteria and call me selfish.
I'm taking myself and my lovely lean non-pregnant body off out now. Happy crying and pissing and general wacknut behavior.
abortions don't kill people
YES EXACTLY, I have been trying to reasonably put this point to her but she just keeps bleating 'It's a person!! It is it is it is!' Retarded. Apparently a zygote is every bit as much a person as you or I am.
Hey, zygote man. Would you like to go freerunning with me? Oh wait. You have no arms, no legs, no spine, no consciousness and thus no motor function. Like me really, on that last one. Except I have a mouth and I can complain about mine.
A woman needs to have the right to not have a child if she chooses. Abortion is often a good alternative for many young women who are not ready for a child and it is also positive as far as global population matters are concerned. I will be doing my part as well; I will never have a child.
Bells
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There is expressing opinions and doing what you are doing.
Actually, yes, you have been.
And by what you have been ranting in this thread, if given the choice or ability, you would if you could.
You survived an abortion? Because based off your rantings in this thread, one can only assume that you have never exercised your free choice to end a pregnancy. And that is your right to do so. Just as it is your personal and free right to terminate a pregnancy if you so choose. No one is going to judge you either way. That's the thing with pro-choice Lori. We don't judge you for making your own choice, regardless of how you choose. Unfortunately you don't seem to get that. You are judging people based on their opinions of 'pro-choice'.. God forbid how you would judge someone who had an abortion. It is not your place to judge. It is none of your business what a woman decides to do with her womb. If she decides to empty it, it is her choice. Not yours. It's none of your business what she does. The only womb you should concern yourself with is your own. If you disagree with abortions don't get one. But don't think for one second that you are in a place to judge others for being pro-choice or for getting one if they decide to get one.
That's right. It is personal. To you. Your demands and desires that women not get abortions is your personal opinion. Therefore, you should never have an abortion. But it is not your place to demand that women around the world not get one if they so choose. That is what you cannot seem to quite grasp in this debate. You can have whatever opinion you damn well please. But when you start abusing members because they think that women should have the right to choose, then you are taking the personal and trying to ram it down other people's throats. When you start imposing your personal beliefs on me, then yes, I will get shitty. It is my right to choose if I decide to. Your personal opinion means squat. Why? Because it is your personal opinion.
Your actions in this thread shows that you are not okay with that Lori.
I'm sorry, but how is my getting an abortion if I chose to, going to impact on your life? What consequences could you possibly "reap" if I get an abortion?
Abortion is a personal matter and frankly, people should take their personal opinions and apply it only to themselves. If a woman decides to get an abortion, it is her personal choice and no one should have the right to demand or accuse her of anything for that choice. In short, when it comes to abortions, mind your own damn business.
Again. This is your personal opinion. If you think it is selfish to be pro-choice or to have an abortion, then don't have one. If a woman decides differently, it's none of your business if she is selfish or not. It's not your body but hers.
Oh please. You have been spouting hatred to anyone who dares voice the opinion of pro-choice on this site. No one has solicited your opinion in this. You are ramming it down people's throats and trying to jam it up their backsides and the collective vagina's of women repeatedly on this site. I really don't care what your experience with abortion is. If you've had one, your business. If you haven't had one, again, your business. Get it? It's none of my business if you have one or not. Just as it is none of your business and not your place to judge others for having the opinion that women should have the right to choose or if they make that choice.
I don't think you quite understand the concept or notion of "rights".
Personal opinion. Ergo, don't have one if you feel that way or have one. Not anyone's business but your own.
Yep. And my mother decided to not flush me down the toilet. Again, it was her choice. Then again, at that time, I was not a person.
I'm sorry, but a 6 week old embryo is not a person. Not by any stretch of the imagination. You need to define what is a person.
Which is often flushed out before the woman or mother even knows she's pregnant. That's dna and that's nature.
Personal opinion. Again, has no bearing here as it is your personal opinion and not something you should be ramming up our collective vagina's as though it is fact.
Refer to above.
i'm expressing an opinion like everyone else here.
offerring up suggestions to your contrived dilemma is not mandating. like i'd expect anyone to actually do what i say because i said so. don't be silly.
that's nonsense.
i've stated numerous times that i've had an abortion.
i'm not demanding anything. i already stated that this isn't political. you're just making shit up now because you apparently can't handle anyone who has an opinion different from yours, and react defensively, as if you're being browbeaten or your freedoms taken away. get ahold of yourself.
my actions? it's called typing. my opinion is different from yours. my actions based on my opinion are different from yours. and yeah, that's just fine with me. so now you are arbitrarily accusing me of lying? i'm actually a huge advocate of freedom, because i know that we are all accountable to the same higher power.
yes, we all live in our own little bubbles and actions don't have consequences. right.
well, what if the child that you decide to abort would have saved my life one day? what if they had grown to be a world leader? an activist? a hero? the truth is that every thought and every action that every one makes every day impacts the world around them in ways that you do not have the ability to see. and apparently you're too short-sighted to even conceptualize this.
well then why don't you tell me what the fuck the point of this thread is bells?
again, OF COURSE it's a personal opinion.
solicited my opinion? helloooOOOooo. it's the purpose and point of the thread. are you seriously this dumb that you don't understand what a discussion forum is for? your opinion or anyone else's isn't any more or less solicited than mine. or are you under the impression that this is just a place where people come to agree with you?
well apparently i understand something about them that you don't. your rights are no more valuable or important than anyone else's.
IT'S A DISCUSSION FORUM.
really? what were you? were you a fish? a tree perhaps?
maybe you need to define what a person is. a 6 week old embryo IS IN FACT a human being in a normal developmental stage of growth. it's not a tree. it's not a glob of gelatin, or any other dumb-ass thing you want to tell yourself in order to rationalize killing it.
so what? people die of natural causes when they're 20, 30, 40 years old too. does that mean it's ok to voluntarily and intentionally kill them? no, it doesn't.
it's funny to me how defensive you murders get about your "rights". well, i have a right to my opinion just like you do. so ram that up your vagina.
An embryo is a glorified parasite. Do you kill a tick when it gets on you? Last time I checked a tick is a form of 'life'.
If it serves the good of the living or they want to die, then yes. Note: Population control by progressive mothers is for the good of the living.
It's funny how offensive you get over this. I bet you're one of those people who go to clinics and terrorize young impressionable girls.
Bells
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Uh huh..
So you are ranting, insulting and demeaning people because of...?
Really? So tell me, why are you carrying on like some demented religious nutbag in this thread, calling anyone pro-choice murderers and even sluts?
Again, none of my business what you did Lori. It's your choice. You exercised it and then decided it was the wrong choice later on down the line. Your business. It is not your place to now abuse and insult other women for wanting to have the same choices you have and then saying it's your personal opinion. You notice I am not judging you for having made that choice? But thus far you've called me a "pro-abortionist" and a murderer because I believe women should have the right to a choice, a choice you freely made and exercised. Do you not see the hypocrisy of your argument yet? No one here gives a shit if you decided to terminate a pregnancy. Your uterus, your business. And yet, you've called others here sluts and murderers when they expressed the opinion that women such as yourself should have the right to choose.
Abortion is a political issue because people such as yourself are constantly attempting to remove the choice you exercised from other women, for the reasons you are now against it. That is political. Your argument and your vitriol is political.
I really don't give a flying fuck what your opinion on abortion is. But when you start calling others sluts and murderers for having the opinion that women should have the right to choose, like you did, then yeah, I'm going to tell you to shove it up your backside.
If you were a "huge advocate of freedom", you would not judge others for exercising the freedom to choose if they feel it necessary. If you were such a "huge advocate of freedom", you would not call people whores and murderers for saying that women like yourself should have the right to choose. But then, you were expressing a personal opinion, right? You didn't really call her a whore, right? You were just "generalising"..
Again, your religious beliefs are your own. Not everyone is religious or believes in some "higher power". Not scientific fact dearie, sorry to break it to you.
Again, how is what I decide to do with my uterus going to impact on you personally?
What if said child turns into a mass murderer or serial killer or paedophile. Each time you menstruate, you're getting rid of a potential life saver or life taker Lori. Tell me, do you weep over your pads every month...'Oh the humanity.. there goes the next Sister Theresa'..? Women abort naturally all the time, half the time they don't even know they were pregnant... how does that affect you personally?
You'll have to go back to the OP for that one Lori.
So why call me a murderer Lori?
Why make the "generalising" comment and refer to VI as a whore, Lori?
Who gave you the right to judge what choices I or any other women make in their lives?
I have read the OP. Nowhere did it state that you were being solicited to give the opinion that women who have sex and are pro-choice are whores and murderers.
You can't discuss this issue. That is plainly obvious. You have been so abusive that VI has put you on ignore. You have gone beyond what is acceptable VI. People have differing opinions all the time. You are so abusive and that bad that people end up having to put you on ignore. VI's never had an abortion and you've called her a murderer because she thinks women should have the right to choose. You've called me a murderer for the same reason and I've never had an abortion either. You don't even know what my personal opinion on abortion actually is, but you have seen fit to judge me as being a "pro-abortionist" and a murderer, because I dare have the opinion and belief that women such as you and I and every other woman out there should have the right to exercise their choice as you have done.
And that is what you just can't seem to grasp. No one is pro-abortion Lori. We are pro-choice. I, for one, believe that women should be granted the right to choose for themselves, just as you had chosen in the past and they should be free to do so without being judged or branded as murderers. You know, respect a person's freedom..?
That is correct. And if I want to terminate a pregnancy, it is my right to do so, just as it was your right to do so. What you do and what choice you exercise if your own business, just as what I do and what choices I choose to exercise is my business. You don't own my uterus, just as I do not own yours and thus, you have no say over what I do with it. To be honest with you, I don't even have the right to an opinion over what choices you make regarding your reproductive rights Lori.
Then learn to discuss without calling people whores and murderers because they believe in the right to choose.
Knowing my mother, I doubt she had sex with any fish or trees. But at 12 weeks in her womb, I was not a person. I had no rights. Her body could choose to flush me out at any time it so chose whether she wanted it to or not and I'd still have no choice.
Do you think a zygote is a person like you are a person? Should it have the same rights and protection as you have? In that if a woman naturally aborts a zygote, she would be held responsible and have to be investigated because she terminated the life of a person? For example, if anyone kills you, they are committing murder. Why? Because you are a person. If anyone kills a zygote, it's not murder. Zygotes are destroyed on a daily basis, be it in the human body or petri dish.. Yet I don't see you protesting outside university campuses or medical facilities..? A zygote is not a person and is not granted the rights that you are granted as a person, Lori.
I don't need to rationalise anything about "killing" a 6week old embryo Lori. You don't even know what my personal opinion on abortion is for myself. Yet you deem yourself worthy to judge me for saying that you and all women should have the right to choose.
A 6 week old embryo is often flushed in a 'late period'... If that 6 week embryo was a person, than every time a woman had her period, she'd have to be investigated. Most women don't even know they are pregnant at 6 weeks. I know I didn't. I was just into week 7 when I realised the flu was not really the flu.. You can carry on and on about how it is a person, but in reality.. you know? The real world? A 6 week old embryo is not given any rights as a person or individual. It is not recognised as being a human being.
Now I know in Lori land you can hold and cuddle a 6 week old embryo because it's just so darn cute and such a little person with a personality, but in real life land, that's not the case.
A 6 week old embryo is not a 20, 30, 40 year old Lori. I would have thought that would have been obvious to you by now.
That is a very serious charge Lori. Can you tell me, who or what I have murdered? Do you have proof that I have murdered someone... anyone? I expect links to reports or case of my so called murderous crime, Lori.
well you would lose that bet. i would never, ever do anything even remotely like that. as a matter of fact i wouldn't even offer up my opinion on the matter unless it was solicited, or i was on a discussion forum, or some place whose purpose is for the discussion of opinion.
"young impressionable girls"...like you give a shit about them.
Bells
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I am strange in that I always require people show proof when they accuse me of something like murder. So I'd suggest you find said proof.
The way you're carrying on at the moment thankfully does not represent religious people everywhere. If you did, I suspect they'd find you and flay the skin from your body for making them look like a retarded lunatic.
Yes, people are murderers. But until you have proof that anyone in this particular thread has committed murder, I'd suggest you shut up with the accusations as you are making yourself look like a twat.
I think it is a tragedy that you have such a terrible and lowly view of yourself. I would suggest you get some counselling. Actually scratch that. I suggest you get a hell of a lot of counselling because you seem to need a hell of a lot of it.
I'm judging you? Lets see, you have called me a murderer and you accuse me of judging you? That's interesting.
You are telling people what to do in the manner in which you accuse them of being whores, sluts and murderers if they don't do as you say or don't believe as you say.
What does that say about you, Lori?
Jesus..
You seriously need to get some professional help Lori.
And you have proof that the people in this thread who are pro-choice are sluts and murderers? Links please..
You have proof that I am either? Links please..
Yes, it's everyone else and not you...
Hmmm...
Oh I know the difference. The thing is, do you understand the difference and what can happen if we start classifying a week old zygote as a "person"?
Where am I advocating murder? Links? Where have I told anyone to go out and kill another person? Links?
Or are we existing in Lori Land again and you are projecting yourself onto me?
Whatever venom she may have spewed was in response to you. You called her a whore and a murderer when she is neither. What kind of response do you expect to get when you act like someone so hateful and so unbalanced?
You mean you're not? Lori, you have such a horrible view of yourself that I am terrified to even answer you properly because you seem so mentally unstable.
No one has the right to refer to someone as a whore or a murderer Lori, especially when the other person has done nothing wrong. You are taking this so seriously that you have lost any amount of good sense you may have had.
Now, so you think a zygote is just as much as a human being as an infant, toddler, adolescent or adult? How would you implement those rights? What kind of protection should they get according to those rights? How would you investigate whether a termination was natural or not? If you are going to give them as much rights, then you need to enforce said rights. Would you be happy to have a bloodtest each time you menstruated to prove that you did not terminate a human being?
I say what a woman does with her womb or its contents is really none of my business.
You still can't discuss it.
In actuality, I don't think you should discuss it.
That's funny, you're carrying on and on about how society is doomed and about how we will all be judged by God and you act selfishly and think that you'll somehow escape the wrath of your God. I'm amused.
Seriously, get some help.
Ah, but if you give a zygote the right of a person, then you will be investigated each time you so much as start to spot. Get it yet?
Again, you are projecting what you think I believe about abortion.
It is a woman's right to choose to terminate a pregnancy. Does not make her a slut, whore or murderer.
Where have I advocated or committed murder Lori? Links?
Now, I won't be responding to you again in this thread. Frankly, I think you are mentally unstable and what you have said about yourself in that post.. I really don't think you can mentally cope with this discussion.
I honestly do think you need to get some professional help. It is not healthy to have such a twisted view of yourself Lori. I am not being malicious when I say this. I am saying it because you seriously need some help.
Well Lori... does it feel a bit odd to you... to worship a God who intentionaly created us (includin you) so flawed that we woud murder our children.???
It seems a touch off-kilter to me, but I'm an anti-theist.
You're right, I don't care about most of them, but people have potential and nine times out of ten a young girl who has a child will sell herself short [granted, out of necessity] to care of said offspring.
I don't know though... I remain unconvinced as you seem to be quite fiery.
Scientifically incorrect.
A born baby is also a form of life which relies on its parents for sustenance. *sniff sniff* Do I smell inconsistency?
Oh the irony. Sciforums is littered with posts by zealous pro-choicers who express outrage when anyone dares state that the fetus is anything other than a lump of shit putrifying in the woman's golden uterus. Indeed, one particular pro-choice moderator has repeatedly demanded that men not even be allowed to express an opinion regarding abortion on this forum, and very few responded with outrage. Funnily enough, when I made a similar but inverted proposition (that all women be prevented from commenting on abortion), I was labelled a sexist troll, and actually warned by the moderation.
The truth is, pro-choicers are *ridiculously easy* to offend. They slaver at the mouth like rabid dogs at the very thought of someone expressing an opinion contrary to their own, and blindly attack anyway who points out that the fetus actually is human and alive. It is commonplace for pro-choicers to misrepresent and stereotype pro-lifers. It is routine for them to resort to emotion and outrage. To hear a rational, sound, logical argument from a pro-choicer is rare indeed, and I've never actually seen a pro-choicer address anything other than strawmen.
Wasn't a scientific statement.
No, that's just the eggs burning.
...Who said that? You?
Sounds like you're pretty angry about that... However this thread is not about personal happenings and displeasure with moderation. That belongs in SF open government.
...Looks like you are as well.
That's a fallacious and a very bold statement and you will be reported for that.
It is? And you know what those filthy pro-choicers like myself do because you are one? what?
Not true at all. I'm a very cool and collected individual, however you seem to make a lot of statements but have absolutely not a single shred of evidence to back them up.
Just like you have made a fallacious slanderous post without reason or evidence. Next time you say you have the ideas and the beliefs, bring 'em, otherwise please don't make false claims.
Hey... You should read above from your post down.
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