A God We Know Nothing About

Lori_7 said:
If you do not control what goes on in your own mind you are weak and that's nobody's fault but your own.
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Inane ignorant arrogant assinine absurdity.


Lori_7 said:
Stranger you're an admitted codependent and its not healthy.
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I admitted no such thing.
Faith in absurd cruel fantasy isn't healthy.


Lori_7 said:
as easy as it may be to lay responsibility on someone else, I am not your scapegoat.
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I lay blame, credit & responsibily where it's due.
I never indicated you are or should be a scapegoat.


Lori_7 said:
Own your own mind and life.
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Fools' folly.


Lori_7 said:
You only get one
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How would you know that?
 
do you remember another? do you forsee another? what i've said to you is correct. if you expect everyone to see things exactly as you see them, and for everyone to have the exact same experiences that you do, and therefore the same beliefs, you are being entirely unreasonable.
 
Lori_7 said:
if you expect everyone to see things exactly as you see them, and for everyone to have the exact same experiences that you do, and therefore the same beliefs, you are being entirely unreasonable.
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You're describing organized religion. Atheists have been attacking religion's unreasonable nature for years. Go sit in on a sermon or listen to your favorite TV evangelist and they will tell you exactly what to expect.

In the whacky world of God belief, it's the atheists who are accused of being unreasonable or even evil in some circles. I don't know when you had these experiences or whether you've been theist all your life but consider the situation where people dissolve friendships over God belief.

People who shared life's adventures together with no apparent problems become separated for no other reason than one took up a belief in God. Do you think such a split is initialized by the believer or non-believer? IOW is an atheist more comfortable with a theist friend or vice versa.
 
PsychoticEpisode said:
Exactly what I think everyone should do. Keep it your business.....I totally agree. As far as believing in god, a simple yes or no is all that's required. How difficult is it to act in such a manner.... extremely tough. Perhaps a cultural shift might occur where disclosure without elucidation becomes the norm.
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On the contrary, the only communities where disclosure without elucidation are the norm tend to be mental asylums.

:eek:
 
lightgigantic said:
On the contrary, the only communities where disclosure without elucidation are the norm tend to be mental asylums.

:eek:
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Is this the voice of experience?

"I believe in a deity'' is not enough to book a room at the fun house. "I know my deity has four arms and blue skin" may get people suspicious re your mental state. But "I know because a deity with blue skin and four legs is standing beside me right now" is your ticket in.

Disclosing a belief is fine with me, there is no need to go further.
 
PsychoticEpisode said:
You're describing organized religion. Atheists have been attacking religion's unreasonable nature for years. Go sit in on a sermon or listen to your favorite TV evangelist and they will tell you exactly what to expect.

In the whacky world of God belief, it's the atheists who are accused of being unreasonable or even evil in some circles. I don't know when you had these experiences or whether you've been theist all your life but consider the situation where people dissolve friendships over God belief.

People who shared life's adventures together with no apparent problems become separated for no other reason than one took up a belief in God. Do you think such a split is initialized by the believer or non-believer? IOW is an atheist more comfortable with a theist friend or vice versa.
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actually, when i wrote that i was thinking that stranger sounded just like the typical religious person. i don't discriminate.
 
PsychoticEpisode said:
I'm surprised! Personally, you don't think your on the same level as a religious person?
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no, i'm not a big fan of religion. i mean, if that's a means or reason for people to be charitable (which a lot of religious people are, especially catholics), or to be kind, non-judgemental, blah, blah, then great i guess, but honestly, shouldn't that be something you do anyway without some institution or preacher telling you to, or guilt-tripping you into it, or worse, threatening you with hell fire if you don't? and honestly, it seems to me that a lot of religious people actually use their doctrine to justify doing quite the opposite of these things. religions are political, they're cults, they're greedy, they're country clubs, they're babysitters...they're just another institution.
 
Lori_7 said:
no, i'm not a big fan of religion. i mean, if that's a means or reason for people to be charitable (which a lot of religious people are, especially catholics), or to be kind, non-judgemental, blah, blah, then great i guess, but honestly, shouldn't that be something you do anyway without some institution or preacher telling you to, or guilt-tripping you into it, or worse, threatening you with hell fire if you don't? and honestly, it seems to me that a lot of religious people actually use their doctrine to justify doing quite the opposite of these things. religions are political, they're cults, they're greedy, they're country clubs, they're babysitters...they're just another institution.
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I'm a fan!:D You're a believer yet not religious. That's pretty close to what I've been advocating. More believers should do the same.
 
indoctrination is no reason to believe anything other than that you've been indoctrinated.
 
Lori_7 said:
indoctrination is no reason to believe anything other than that you've been indoctrinated.
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Indoctrination..... the explanation comes before the belief is established. Very, very hard for someone in that position to just simply say I believe and be done with it. Part of the message is to pass on this great newfound knowledge to others.
 
and if you don't live it, you don't understand it, which is dangerous to others who you're passing it on to. and by live it i mean experience what it means in a very personal way, not just following the rules, reciting the rhetoric, attending the services, participating in the rituals, wearing the right clothes, hairdo, makeup, correct political party, and so on...
 
Lori_7 said:
and if you don't live it, you don't understand it, which is dangerous to others who you're passing it on to. and by live it i mean experience what it means in a very personal way, not just following the rules, reciting the rhetoric, attending the services, participating in the rituals, wearing the right clothes, hairdo, makeup, correct political party, and so on...
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A little different than believing in a God without any indoctrination and then having to choose a theistic religion. I wonder how many people find themselves in that position? Do you feel pressure to join a theistic church?
 
PsychoticEpisode said:
A little different than believing in a God without any indoctrination and then having to choose a theistic religion. I wonder how many people find themselves in that position? Do you feel pressure to join a theistic church?
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no, not at all. i don't get the impression that god is a big fan of religion. i do however, through my personal experiences, relate to some of the doctrine of almost all of the major religions. basically, i think that for anyone who is truly looking, the truth is not difficult to find, anywhere. i think that the beginning should entail looking within ourselves. god is part of us and we are part of it and i don't think you have to travel or read or study to get to know about it.
 
Lori_7 said:
no, not at all. i don't get the impression that god is a big fan of religion. i do however, through my personal experiences, relate to some of the doctrine of almost all of the major religions. basically, i think that for anyone who is truly looking, the truth is not difficult to find, anywhere. i think that the beginning should entail looking within ourselves. god is part of us and we are part of it and i don't think you have to travel or read or study to get to know about it.
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If there is a god then I would agree that He wouldn't think very highly of religion only because I think He'd be one very smart guy.

In the past I have stated that if God were to exist then He isn't here. I'll still stick to that. Some could argue that this means I know something about God, albeit absenteeism. But I think God's absence leaves the door open for His possibility, one thing that I can't ever reject entirely. There is no proof.

Not to belittle your own experiences. You've handled them pretty well in my humble opinion. You made your choice and for the most part left it at that. Like all of us who wish to keep their decision private you are finding out how difficult a task that is. I don't think either of us is an indoctrination supporter and when we hear of it it is difficult to remain silent.
 
it is difficult. i tend to be very offended by it. maybe i shouldn't be, but i do tend to be.
 
i unfortunately think we know plenty about indoctrination. *eye roll* i think your title is good the way it is.
 
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