Bells
Staff member
Which means they need even more care and compassion. Starving them is not the solution.Many of these homeless are drug users and alcoholics and will never comply to the standards of a homeless shelter let alone a job.
Which means they need even more care and compassion. Starving them is not the solution.Many of these homeless are drug users and alcoholics and will never comply to the standards of a homeless shelter let alone a job.
Which means they need even more care and compassion. Starving them is not the solution.
Which means they need even more care and compassion. Starving them is not the solution.
People in homeless encampments benefit from food and clothing provided by church groups, missions, and social services agencies, but such charity is not always combined with efforts to facilitate transition from the streets.
To many of these so called Christians, Jesus was not poor. He was not homeless. He was a wealthy white man with light brown hair and blue eyes as he is often portrayed by many Christian denominations. These are the people such laws appeal to. There is no such thing as care and compassion. To these people, homelessness is a blight on their pretty and upscale neighbourhoods. Not something Jesus would have approved of in their eyes. And providing them with food? Hell no. To these people, that is a huge no no because it might encourage them to stay around to be fed. This is how many Christians have subverted Jesus to suit their own ideals about wealth and prosperity.
YourEyes said:Money, who is going to pay for these people? And how will it be provided?
To reiterate: Stop wasting public funds coddling rich people and start actually fulfilling government's social contract obligations.
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Because, you know, that's the important thing.
Well put Tiassa - it seems that we want to help "those like us" while not helping those with differing views/opinions/feelings... to the point where we would rather not help anyone than risk helping "the other people"... our priorities are so fucked up nowadays... that when a person like Arnold Abott starts doing something that is actually reasonably selfless... it is viewed with contempt!
Why didn't you go to a shelter and apply for food stamps.I NEVER gone to any church begging for food or collecting food scraps on the street. I starved, (etc.)
This is the most common myth about the homeless. In fact a substantial number of them are addicted to drugs or alcohol and/or have a MHMR profile. That limits their employment options. Also many are homeless due to a criminal conviction and no one wants to risk hiring them. There are about 2 million people locked up in the US, who face unemployment and homelessness upon release. Thousands are released daily. This is complicated by the laws which deny food stamps to people with drug convictions.These homeless are LAZY
Because starving them is a better solution for you?and you are not giving any solution. no proposition, just saying they need compassion and help isn't going to cut it. Money, who is going to pay for these people? And how will it be provided?
Also I give reference to a study done on homeless and problems associated with them:
Homelessness can cause mental problems in kids as well. At 1.6 million homeless children in USA, the food dispersion without facilitation of transition from the streets, creates future homeless adults.
Link:
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Homelessness-can-cause-mental-problems-in-kids-879396.php
http://www.popcenter.org/problems/homeless_encampments/
Giving food to homeless Bells, without facilitation of transition from the streets, is like despersing heroin to drug addicts.
Naw.. Really?What? That is totally wrong! Jesus was not rich nor does his hair and eyes have to do anything about his elite image. Jesus went around from town to town to help people. Jesus did not have a home, but he helped others constantly.
Good to see how full of compassion you are.Meanwhile homeless nag, spread diseases, are just plain lazy, and feed off the taxpayers money without any improvements.
And if a better health care system was in place, where drug addicts could get help, where the mentally ill could get help and where volunteers and the State could provide shelter, food and clothing, you would find that the number of homelessness would reduce dramatically.Jesus had a great heart even if he had no home. Homeless? Most are drug addicts, self pitying and deteriorating waste of society who failed college and never bothered to change their career choices. Nothing. Now Jesus went around helping homeless people and guiding them to their safety.
That 90 year old man is doing exactly what his religious beliefs and his bible and his God taught him to do. That is to be kind, compassionate and to help those in need. It doesn't keep them unchanged. It keeps them fed. He provides them with sustenance to survive. He and the other volunteers provide the most desperate and helpless people in society with a friendly face, kind words, warm reception, dignity, compassion, care and decency.He didn't just give out food for FREE, he spread the message of change and hope and of sharing! Meanwhile this 90 year old man is giving out food and keeping his saintly image up with this, thinking is enough. Is a help with a backstabbing action with it. It keeps these homeless unchanged, unwilling to change, staying that way and having no way out but to stay that way.
Why didn't you go to a shelter and apply for food stamps.
This is the most common myth about the homeless. In fact a substantial number of them are addicted to drugs or alcohol and/or have a MHMR profile. That limits their employment options. Also many are homeless due to a criminal conviction and no one wants to risk hiring them. There are about 2 million people locked up in the US, who face unemployment and homelessness upon release. Thousands are released daily. This is complicated by the laws which deny food stamps to people with drug convictions.
Spending hours standing in lines at soup kitchens and shelters and looking for places to relieve themselves and clean up, and left to walk or push their wheelchairs as far as they can go in cities designed for commuters makes them exhausted and hopeless, which may give the appearance of laziness, but that's a bad diagnosis. There is a larger context. And every case has to treated individually.
I am currently assisting a homeless woman with a terminal illness. She has a drug conviction and in fact became impoverished by her incarceration. She was released to the streets with no more than a city shelter to support her. She is ineligible for food stamps and no one will hire her. But she is far from lazy. One day I followed her in my car as she went from dumpster to dumpster salvaging discarded goods. By the end of the day she had found some items that a pawn broker took for $37. She also found food for her dog. But she worked hard to accomplish that. And she does this 7 days a week.
She told me her life story, which, as it turned out, all seems to hinge on a catastrophe that happened when she was only 8 years old. Her mother died and shortly after that her step father began sexually abusing her.
Why didn't you go to a shelter and apply for food stamps.
This is the most common myth about the homeless. In fact a substantial number of them are addicted to drugs or alcohol and/or have a MHMR profile. That limits their employment options. Also many are homeless due to a criminal conviction and no one wants to risk hiring them. There are about 2 million people locked up in the US, who face unemployment and homelessness upon release. Thousands are released daily. This is complicated by the laws which deny food stamps to people with drug convictions.
Spending hours standing in lines at soup kitchens and shelters and looking for places to relieve themselves and clean up, and left to walk or push their wheelchairs as far as they can go in cities designed for commuters makes them exhausted and hopeless, which may give the appearance of laziness, but that's a bad diagnosis. There is a larger context. And every case has to treated individually.
I am currently assisting a homeless woman with a terminal illness. She has a drug conviction and in fact became impoverished by her incarceration. She was released to the streets with no more than a city shelter to support her. She is ineligible for food stamps and no one will hire her. But she is far from lazy. One day I followed her in my car as she went from dumpster to dumpster salvaging discarded goods. By the end of the day she had found some items that a pawn broker took for $37. She also found food for her dog. But she worked hard to accomplish that. And she does this 7 days a week.
She told me her life story, which, as it turned out, all seems to hinge on a catastrophe that happened when she was only 8 years old. Her mother died and shortly after that her step father began sexually abusing her.
So to me, not feeding the poor is not only cruel, but downright mean and selfish.
Those who are addicted or mentally ill and are not changing by specific time, should be removed from the streets all-together, they are a hazard to society.
What do you propose we do with them? And what do we do with them before that specific time?
I think that people who are homeless live outside our society for the most part, feeding on the scraps of kindness we choose to give them. Do you not agree that the way to get them back into our society to be safe and protected is to treat them as humans, not as a nuisence or problem to legislate?
YourEyes said:I do agree with that we have to treat them as human, but keeping them on street is a big hazard.
Look I do not have all the answers, but at least I am offering a balanced choice between humanity and necessity.
If they are really mentally ill, shouldnt they be kept in a hospital for the mentally ill?
Nothing. Now Jesus went around helping homeless people and guiding them to their safety.
He didn't just give out food for FREE, he spread the message of change and hope and of sharing! Meanwhile this 90 year old man is giving out food and keeping his saintly image up with this, thinking is enough. Is a help with a backstabbing action with it. It keeps these homeless unchanged, unwilling to change, staying that way and having no way out but to stay that way.
So you are saying that Jesus demanded change from the people he fed. Let's see what he actually says:
The words of Jesus do not seem to support your claim.
Exactly. And Arnold Abbott listened.Also notice to whom Jesus speaks, to those who "offer their help" to the needy.
Yes. In other words, to be more like Abbott. How many people do you think he has changed by following the example of Christ, and being a living example of his words?It taught those who needed food a lesson, that they in future should share, that they have to change their ways.
Exactly. And Arnold Abbott listened.
Yes. In other words, to be more like Abbott. How many people do you think he has changed by following the example of Christ, and being a living example of his words?
Jesus did the right thing, he gave out the food on the hill, outside of the city. . . . .You know who Abbott is? He is the one "selling the goods" in the Temple of God, the very one Jesus came and cleansed of sellers. Free food without a lesson, is a dagger in the back. It is like giving the wine in church without sending the message of faith out.