90 year old man (and two pastors) arrested for feeding the homeless
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No I am saying that the government has clearly made a decision not to spend money on those who cannot give back to the society.
You are presenting me a problem in this country, the elderly/sick homeless/very old veterans unable to work and the government does not provide for them or does not provide for them enough.
What is your proposed solution? Grab money from city budget and give it to them?
Personally, i don't see what's wrong with just letting citizens that have a little extra give to those that have nothing - no need to force more burden on the taxpayers.
Instead, they go and make it ILLEGAL for the more fortunate to help the less fortunate... and then what? Oh, yeah, that burden ends up on the taxpayers - either the homeless end up in jail, in a shelter, or in a hospital, (and sometimes the fortunate end up in jail for trying to help the homeless) - great strategy there
Personally, i don't see what's wrong with just letting citizens that have a little extra give to those that have nothing - no need to force more burden on the taxpayers.
Instead, they go and make it ILLEGAL for the more fortunate to help the less fortunate... and then what? Oh, yeah, that burden ends up on the taxpayers - either the homeless end up in jail, in a shelter, or in a hospital, (and sometimes the fortunate end up in jail for trying to help the homeless) - great strategy there
It is true that the current city strategy is flawed in handling the homeless problem, however increasing taxation on the wealthy also carries a risk within itself, for example the wealthy will simply leave the city and will relocate the business elsewhere, thus aggravating the financial burden even more.
Now what you are proposing is Socialism, it is not just frowned upon by USA administration, but is also condemned in USA. Corporations run USA, and they work by profit. Where there is no profit, there is no need.
I'm not sure how I'm proposing socialism by simply allowing the citizens that want to help to do so...? I'm not forcing them to, just leaving the option open
You proposed to tax the wealthy and take that money and put it to use for the sick and old. Yes?
The people who feed homeless on the streets are not seeing the big picture. By giving them food directly without accountability, they are allowing them to stay homeless and not try harder and look for jobs, but just stay they way they are. I am proposing accountability, government sponsorship of programs for staffing and food services.
If you mean this:
Personally, i don't see what's wrong with just letting citizens that have a little extra give to those that have nothing - no need to force more burden on the taxpayers.
Instead, they go and make it ILLEGAL for the more fortunate to help the less fortunate... and then what? Oh, yeah, that burden ends up on the taxpayers - either the homeless end up in jail, in a shelter, or in a hospital, (and sometimes the fortunate end up in jail for trying to help the homeless) - great strategy there
Then you missed my point entirely
You can't hold the mentally ill, children and dementia/aged people accountable... So what about that 40%? They should just suck it up because of the rest of the slackers?
You know, just wondering.
What I understood that you said was this, "is nothing wrong for wealthy to give to poor people but the wealthy are risking it too"
What I am saying is that the government should direct this process in a more streamlined and efficient way, not the crude direct way of just giving out food on streets. There should be coupons that could be used to get food from food storage facilities for such needs and also a directed personal plan for each homeless person on how they will get back to their feet and get a job and stay off the streets. And if they are too sick or too old to work, that they will relocate to an elderly home that will be financed by the investment firm that is given money by these wealthy people. INSTEAD of just giving away food on streets, which creates problems from the city in long run.
Don't mix beans with rice. Each goes in their own pot.
I stand that these people are given accountability for their homelessness and that the government provide them a clear path to their success.
The ill/aged/sick need to be kept off the streets and a fund needs to be allocated for their needs from the wealthy people who are willing to donate for their cause.
I am offering a solution, where is your solution to the problem?
Right but between now and the time that happens, what should happen to them?
In the time before this measure is implemented, they need to be kept off the streets and an emergency food dispensary program needs to start.
You see mean in me, you see evil in the city's decision, but I see a solution, albeit a painful one. But a solution. Disregarding a homeless problem in the city altogether, creates problems for the normal citizens.
No no, what I meant was to just let the citizens who wish to to be allowed to give food if they want.
The problem with having the government direct the process is... well, that's pretty much socialism - you have to tax someone to get the money for those food storage facilities, shelters, etc
I guess I personally just worry about the ones who fall between the cracks in the meantime. The ones who come to me dying of scabies, lice and lyme's disease, alcoholism, dementia and Alzheimer's on medicare/medicaid because they were ignored up until that point and their bodies can no longer fight off the illness because they are too frail. We rely on citizen armies to help prop them up until we can free up space to take care of them. Because the politicians never can find the time or resources to fix the problem.
You can create a fund program where wealthy citizens can donate the money directly to. The advertisement for that program should be paid by the citizens who are committed to resolving this issue themselves and by those concerned. A much smaller part of the funding should come from the federal government and directed from other homeless funds of other cities who do not need that much attention. The process should be streamlined and clearly visible for the benefactors of the cause, so that they can see the results of their labor. The same way advertisement on television is asking people to donate "just 10$" can give food to Zimbabwe children for one month, the same way the advertisement should be run.
There isn't need for taxing, if the problem is clearly seen and understood and the plan for its resolution is laid out.
great inspirational words, slogans that will get people signing up for you wherever you go.
But, what is your plan on resolving the issue?
We all worry, we all complain, we all see the problems. But have you thought of a solution?
Yeah, cook, prep and feed the homeless which I do for anywhere from 4-8 hours of my own personal (unpaid) time each weekend. Other than that, I work about 60 hours a week for less pay than I am worth on research and gaining grants when I am not helping people die in their own homes with some semblance of dignity and respect. Admitted I focus on the elderly and LGBT community. How about you?
Well how old are you? if you dont mind me asking
I'm 42. Just a child
Somehow I thought you were older...so your telling me that every weekend you give out free food to homeless?
Look I admit you are doing the world good but maybe having an organization that doesnt just disperse food but also advises homeless on how to get on the straight path would be more suitable. I am 27, i chose an engineering lifestyle, so I guess I dont do much help to humanity for now, but maybe later I will be useful.