I have also described chemicals which existed in the towers.
who cares! all the chemicals existed in the towers to produce lemon souflee, there were no lemon souflees falling out of the windows. what is missing is the process in getting from the ingredients to the souflee.
Because it doesn't fit your conspiracy theory? The chemicals could have naturally existed in the towers.
what is remarkable is that you consider the possibilty that chemcials randomly break down and randomly come together to reform into thermite chemicals AND you consider the possibilty that conditions difficult to replicate in a controlled laboratory could come together in a chaotic and random way to produce a quantity of thermite residue. you consider all that as plausible...but you dismiss the idea that thermite was placed in the towers as unlikely conspiracy theory.
not recently. what does it say that you think helps your position?
Frank Greening (you're probably not a fan) thinks that there was thermate in the towers but it wasn't placed there...
I think it highly unlikely that he thinks in such a conclusive manner on this issue.
Tony is claiming that the flow is molten steel. I have merely theorizing that there are other possibilities that truthers aren’t eager to hear about.
how neat that you divide people into 2 groups. those of rational thinking theorizers that comtemplate carefullly the issues, and those religious "truthers" that always speak in such absolutist terms. oh but wait... isn't dividing people into 2 distinct groups kind of....absolutist?? black/white, beleivers/non believers, with us/against us, truther/debunker ????
I don’t know what it is but the truther logic is
(a) it is a molten material, wrong color for pure aluminium therefore it must be steel therefore all the reports molten metal are probably also steel or
(b) it isn’t pure aluminium so it must be the result of thermite/thermate cutting the columns as the charges were set off then, and not affected by the fire blazing away for the previous hour.
There you go again- falsely attributing your own rigid absolutist thinking to others.
Any thinking stops there because the evidence has been shoehorned to fit the conclusion.
this is certainly true of the NIST report. bloomberg said the steel was not required to investigate the collapse, it would all be done on a computer simulation, if that isn't she-horning, i don't know what is.
I don't see where that applies to the majority that question the official version.
You’re right we have been over this a dozen times.
Pure aluminium can emit that colour but is unlikely to be that orange in bright daylight. I’m not saying it was pure aluminium. I’m saying it could have some slag mixed in with it or a soup of the materials within the towers.
OK, we agree we can rule out pure aluminium, aluminium cladding, aluminium skin from the plane etc. the experiments to replicate a soup of what was in the building and make it glow yellow orange have failed, so you have even less than unsupported speculation Vs a 100% repeatable match with thermite residue.
Headspin said:
shaman says - "It could have contained iron freed in a eutectic mix"
<brakes screech to a halt> - Thermate residue is a eutectic (a molten mix) of sulfur and iron
Could this not also be produced with temperatures around 1000C?
you are suggesting that thermite residue could just form in quantity by chance in a fire. the presence of thermite residue in a fire indicates thermite arson. people have been convicted on this. What you are suggesting would have ramifications for the legal system and all those convicted for thermite arson....or alternatively what you are suggesting is an absurdity.
what do you think is likely?
Is ‘diffuse flame fire’ the latest truther catchphrase?
yes, the memo was broadcast yesterday, all hive-truthers recieved the message electronically at the same time and all adjusted their thinking per instructions in the memo. all praise Griffen-Ra our ever watchful eye lord on high <genuflect left brest>
Headspin said:
The iron has to be mixed with the elemental sulphur in order for the melting point to be reduced, like adding salt to ice. Even a very small deviation of sulfur concentration quantity from 31.4% moves the melting point of iron out of reach of even the most extreme of fires
Yes yes completely understood headspin, but it is possible right?
no it is not possible. it fails for many reasons, but i'll give you one - there was no elemental sulfur.
I am suggesting that there are other possibilities but you only want to see thermite.
no, thats just your perception. I am interested in other possibilities. if they are not plausible or impossible then i will reject them.
If it was a result of a thermite (thermate whatever) reaction then how much thermite would have been used? Wasn’t it only used to cut the columns? How much of that stuff do you think flowed out?
a lot, don't know, some tons at a guess.
The material was noticed in the area where one of the planes entered, it was noticed in the minutes before collapse when the bowing was observed. ..
yes i agree with these observations (apart from maybe the last bit)