Working on the Sabbath warrants a death sentence
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Moderation in religion has nothing underwriting it but the "unacknowledged neglect of the letter of devine law". The only reason anyone is 'moderate' in matters of faith these days is that he has assimilated some of the fruits of the last two thousand years of human thought (democratic politics, scientific advancement on every front, concern for human rights, and end to cultural and geographic isolations, etc.).
Sam Harris, The End of Faith
Sam Harris, The End of Faith
When it became untenable to continue it, i.e. probably after the Romans sacked Jerusalem and the Jews had to abandon their traditional jurisprudence.
The easy reason would be, because it was a retarded punishment.
The long reason involves the Jewish diaspora and the rise of anti-Semitic feeling in late Roman Christianity, which restricted the rights of Jews. First off, the Roman occupation of Judea and sack of Jerusalem in the late first century CE saw the end of an agreement between the Roman governors and the Jewish law courts to respect each others' rules and punishments, e.g. Rome would turn a blind eye to stoning adulterers, and the Jewish courts would turn in rebellious Jews to the Roman authorities. However, the Romans annexed the region and ended the agreement, and imposed Roman law entirely.
Many Jews fled and scattered across the Roman world, and some into Sarmatia and Arabia. When Christianity rose to prominence after the time of Constantine, laws were put in place that restricted to rights of Jews in the Empire, which became particularly harsh under Theodosius, who imposed Christianity as the Roman state religion. These laws further restricted their ability to have and utilise traditional Jewish courts. Come the Middle Ages, they became second-class citizens and were bereft of rights entirely.
By the time of Jewish Emancipation in Europe, attitudes towards human rights had changed in a huge way. Jews were allowed to have private courts separate from the main judicial system, and certain punishments were abandoned in practice. Either because of legal prohibitions against murder or because it had become seen as unethical.
Probably not. Israel is a Western nation and follows Western ideas on human rights (mostly). They don't want to go looking like Saudi Arabia, now, do they?
PS) while I usually respect someone for practicing what they preach and following their claimed religion, etc...there are times when I respect someone even more for knowing that the world has changed and some parts of their religion are less relevant than other parts. This is one of those times.
PS) while I usually respect someone for practicing what they preach and following their claimed religion, etc...there are times when I respect someone even more for knowing that the world has changed and some parts of their religion are less relevant than other parts. This is one of those times.
They referring here to Peter and Paul
LOL You take Dawn to mean at sunrise. But dawn of the day means start of the day. And early in the day means the start of the day. We use the term now when we refer to the dawn of the space race or the dawn of an age.
See there is absolutely no contradiction between the two because Dawn of the day means the beginning of the day. Early in the day means the beginning of the day and the beginning of the day in the bible is at sunset. They went to the tomb just after the Sabbath as soon as the sun went down and discovered the rock had been moved, while is it still dark
Jesus never rose on the first day of the week. The scriptures do not say He did. When Mary when to the tomb ( just after sunset Saturday night) she discovered the rock had ALREADY been rolled away. That verse is not saying when Jesus was resurrected. It only states that Mary visited the tomb and found Jesus was not there.
The Bible does not state it that way. You have bought into the traditions of men ( catholic ones at that) Jesus was not executed on Friday He was executed on Wednesday and his body was placed in the earth before sunset because the next day was a high Sabbath. No not a weekly Sabbath but a special Sabbath.
John 19
31 Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
They celebrated the feast of unleavened bread during the week Jesus was executed. That was called a High Sabbath. Read about the Sabbaths in Lev 23
leviticus 23
1 And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.
((( Next verse here is the normal weekly Sabbath)))
3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
((( Now it goes on to describe the other special Sabbaths that the Jews where also to observe)))
4 ‘These are the feasts of the LORD, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at their appointed times. 5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the LORD’s Passover. 6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.
((( that means the day after the Passover was a Sabbath a holy convocation where no customary work was to be done Just like the weekly Sabbath)))
They wanted Jesus dead and buried before the start of the Sabbath, Not the Weekly Sabbath but the Sabbath of the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread that’s why that guard stabbed Jesus in his side.
If you want to read on in Leviticus 9 you will find more non weekly Sabbaths detailed they are:
The Feast of Firstfruits
The Feast of Weeks
The Feast of Trumpets
The Day of Atonement
The Feast of Tabernacles
non of these Sabbaths are linked to days of the week they are all linked to dates in the Jewish Calender.
No mistake here.
Jesus was in the earth 3 days and 3 nights. Just as the scriptures state.
I have not bothered with the next few points you made because they where all based on your firm but faulty belief that Jesus was executed on Friday.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
Does anyone think post #115 has made an end to resurrection city in Christendom? "IT" seems to be at least suspect.
You have only used a strawman built for you by the traditions of men. Set up to be knocked down. But you can never destroy the real Body of Christ.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
I doubt you are thinking of Acts 15, btw.SAM said:
But there's little real point in discussing Biblical (or Quranic) stories or declarations as events in history. When and among whom and how was the Sabbath actually observed, when and among whom and how did it radically change or cease being observed - you can't get reliable answers to such questions from the Bible.
Of course!
I was stabbed the other day just for blinking after the Sabbath. A handful of lawyers watched in horror, then scattered in all directions, their liberal inclinations dashed by the force of religious predestination.
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