Why is being nude so "wrong"?

[Bells]

So Orleander, Bells, and Sam now have pushed this discussion over into the personal level? And worse, made veiled accusations?

I'm guessing that it's only due to not being able to discuss this on a intellectual level.

Baron Max

You and Shorty took it to a personal level well before now Baron.

You would not know an "intellectual level" if it came and bit you on your backside.

What's the matter Baron? Don't like it when you are put in the hotseat? We've had John making aside requests for some of the women in this discussion to post naked pictures of ourselves. I have also had John asking me about my husband being naked with other women. I've had you saying I was supposedly old and wrinkled. We've had both you and Shorty making comments about Sam's family life and their supposedly sitting around together naked.

Yeah I shutter to think about SAM and her family walking around together naked

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Aside from her not knowing the difference between 'shudder' and a window dressing, shall I go on about being personal Baron?

You made the comment that a brother would check out his sister and be sexually aroused if he saw her naked. Did the same thing happen to you? It's not a veiled accusation. You made the statement as though it were somehow the norm for all boys. You were once a boy, I would assume going by your statements in this thread that it happened to you.. For example:

And I have a strong feeling that many people who claim that the sexual attraction between siblings doesn't exist are simply lying to themselves ...mostly due to the social stigmas that they've been taught.​

So who are you lying to Baron?

Because to be honest, I do not know of a single man or boy who has said they would feel aroused or have been aroused if they had seen their female family members naked.. quite the opposite.. it was more a case of "Oh my god ewwww".

No kidding who was talking about sex with their moms? We were talking about teenage kids, who are running around naked.

Weren't you the one to bring up a daughter 'running around naked in front of her father'? Ah yes, here it is:

Do you think it will still be totally ok with you if your daughter is walking around the house naked when she has breasts, and looks more like a woman? Do you think your husband would feel comfortable with that, her walking around your son and himself like that?Link

You were saying?

 

[Thoreau]

Holy crap. When I originally posted this, I didn't expect it to go on 17 pages so far. CrAzY! But awesome. I've missed out on the past 7 pages so I've got some major catching up to do.

 

[Bells]

Fuck me!

If you can't be comfortable being naked at home in front of your kids or whatever.
How the hell does sex education go?

I'm scared to think. * knowing full well this will be received as some kind of blasphemy*

There would probably be no sex education within such households.

Look at where it has gone already. Any mention of nudity in the home around other family members, even if it is just a dash from the bathroom to the bedroom, etc, is suddenly taken to the extreme where they now assume that the whole family sit around all day completely naked, having sexual thoughts about each other. It is always the prudes who will take it to such extremes, because in their own minds, they cannot view it as something completely innocent. A pornographic magazine, designed to specifically arouse readers and with models posed in a sexual manner is automatically the same as a sister who may walk from her bedroom to the bathroom naked. They cannot separate the two. Kind of perverse if you ask me.

 

[Atom]

Why is being in the nude so "wrong" in the eyes of many Americans?

I see no problem with it. Its who we are.

Many other countries see no problem with it as well. Yet many Americans feel being nude as "shameful" and "insulting".

Funny how we are the only species on this entire planet that insists on covering ourselves.

Its another bonkers question!

One look - away - from Naturists gives us the answer.

 

[Baron Max]

What's the matter Baron? Don't like it when you are put in the hotseat?

There was not and is not a "hotseat" involved, Bells. You and others asking personal questions, and making personal accusations, is not the way to have a discussion. My personal life shouldn't enter into the discussion at all. I see no need for it to be personal for anyone.

You made the comment that a brother would check out his sister and be sexually aroused if he saw her naked.

Think about it, Bells ....if a normal young boy, with raging hormones, saw a naked, attractive, young girl, ...firm, full tits, ...nice rounded ass, ...firm thighs, etc, he'd become aroused, wouldn't he? Sure he would, it's perfectly natural.

Now, suppose he sees his sister, who has similar physical characteristics, naked in front of him. I might agree that since she's his sister, his mind might, maybe, possibly, cause him to not be sexually aroused, ...maybe.

Okay, now, Bells, let's take those same two girls and put bags over their heads and strut each one separately in front of the young boy. He can't tell that one is his sister. If he's anything like a normal young boy, with raging hormones, he's gonna' get sexually aroused. If he don't, then, believe me, he ain't normal.

You made the comment that a brother would check out his sister and be sexually aroused if he saw her naked. .... It's not a veiled accusation. You made the statement as though it were somehow the norm for all boys.

I believe that's the case, yes. And I've read enough and heard enough in my life to believe that it's the case. Whether the boy would do anything about his arousal, or whether he'd try to fuck his sister, would probably be blocked by his upbringing and general education. But I don't believe that he could control his sexual arousal or keep from getting a hard-on. Young boys get raging hardons just watching a hot, young girl walking down the hallway!

Again, take the same situation above ...put bags over the girls' heads. Let the girls strut naked in front of the boy. What do you, Bells, think would happen?

You were once a boy, I would assume going by your statements in this thread that it happened to you..

Well, Bells, I can't stop you from making false assumptions, but that's something that you have to deal with, not me. But I will say that with your attitude and natural talent, you'd make a good news reporter for some of the sensationalist rags that are published!

Because to be honest, I do not know of a single man or boy who has said they would feel aroused or have been aroused if they had seen their female family members naked.

Yeah, sure. Because that's what society has trained people to say. "It's not nice to admit to being sexually aroused by your naked sister!" Society, and our general upbringing would prevent us from ...ADMITTING... that arousal. But that doesn't make it true! People lie all the time, Bells, or didn't you know that?

And I have a strong feeling that many people who claim that the sexual attraction between siblings doesn't exist are simply lying to themselves ...mostly due to the social stigmas that they've been taught.​

So who are you lying to Baron?

Nope, read it again, Bells. I don't see any lie in that statement at all.

Baron Max

 

[shorty_37]

Think about it, Bells ....if a normal young boy, with raging hormones, saw a naked, attractive, young girl, ...firm, full tits, ...nice rounded ass, ...firm thighs, etc, he'd become aroused, wouldn't he? Sure he would, it's perfectly natural.

Now, suppose he sees his sister, who has similar physical characteristics, naked in front of him. I might agree that since she's his sister, his mind might, maybe, possibly, cause him to not be sexually aroused, ...maybe.

Okay, now, Bells, let's take those same two girls and put bags over their heads and strut each one separately in front of the young boy. He can't tell that one is his sister. If he's anything like a normal young boy, with raging hormones, he's gonna' get sexually aroused. If he don't, then, believe me, he ain't normal.



Baron Max

I agree! I didn't ever say they would FUCK eachother, if you read back. I was saying exactly this. I don't think in the teenage age yrs of raging hormones that, they MAY not get sexually aroused, regardless if they are their sister or brother. It's a naked body walking around. They would know its wrong of course, but would that stop them from getting somewhat excited I really don't know! ( and you can't be 100 % sure your kids don't either) My brother and I didn't walk around naked after we were toddlers. According to you guys that makes us Prudes)

I did not make assumtions about SAM, she told us early on in this thread how it was normal. How the whole family had no problem with nudity. How her parents would have no problem leaving her and her brother....in teenage yrs alone home naked........So she basically put a situation in our heads.

Nothing is going to convince me that it is not WEIRD!!

Maybe you all had no problems growing up with it because you are were hideously ugly who knows........I really don't give a shit.

But I am not answering anymore of your stupid questions........like did I have a male doctor? was I adopted, ? assumptions about if I had brothers or sisters.......It's all bullshit!! Has absolutely dick all nothing with the fact that I just don't agree with you.

 

[Orleander]

....Maybe you all had no problems growing up with it because you are were hideously ugly who knows........

so, because you were a raging beauty, you had problems with it? Only ugly people have no probelm with nudity and/or no problem getting hit on by their brothers?

 

[Orleander]

Since I'm going by personal experience in this matter, and you're not, can you please tell me which books and which movies.

Baron, can you please help me out here with the names of the movies(s)/book(s)

 

[Baron Max]

so, because you were a raging beauty, you had problems with it? Only ugly people have no probelm with nudity and/or no problem getting hit on by their brothers?

Still trying to make it all personal, Orleander?

Any young boy, with raging hormones, is going to be aroused by an attractive, naked, young woman. That is perfectly natural! But it's also perfectly natural for young boys not to be attracted to fat, ugly women or girls!!

But it's also not perfectly natural to give in to those raging hormones. So the young boys are trained not to jump on the girls and fuck their brains out. That's natural in societies of the world. It's the same with sisters ...the young boys know that fucking their sisters is not very well accepted. So they don't fuck 'em, .....but that don't stop their natural arousal.

Baron Max

 

[Baron Max]

Baron, can you please help me out here with the names of the movies(s)/book(s)

...LOL! So you want me to remember all the books and movies and conversations I've had in the past 50 years or so?? ...LOL!

But I will say this, Orleander, if you ONLY going on personal experience, then your knowledge is so limited that you shouldn't even be discussing this topic.

Baron Max

 

[Orleander]

...LOL! So you want me to remember all the books and movies and conversations I've had in the past 50 years or so?? ...LOL!

But I will say this, Orleander, if you ONLY going on personal experience, then your knowledge is so limited that you shouldn't even be discussing this topic.

Baron Max

can you remember 1?
adn I think living it carries far more weight than reading about it.

 

[shorty_37]

I have an idea.............

How about you strap on heart rate monitor on your 16 yr old sons........and keep on eye on it when your 15 yr old daughters prance around naked infront of him????:shrug:

 

[Baron Max]

and I think living it carries far more weight than reading about it.

Oh, really? So you know, somehow, what your brothers were thinking when you strutted around naked in front of them? Can you tell me how you knew that? And remember, young boys lie!

Baron Max

 

[shorty_37]

can you remember 1?
adn I think living it carries far more weight than reading about it.

Ok Orleander, how old were you when you stopped running around naked in front of your family growing up? forget the bikini's and underwear......I mean naked?

 

[Baron Max]

I have an idea.............

How about you strap on heart rate monitor on your 16 yr old sons........and keep on eye on it when your 15 yr old daughters prance around naked infront of him????:shrug:

...LOL! Shorty, I have this feeling that she doesn't want to know what that monitor would tell her!!

Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Hiding from things is much easier to face than reality.

Baron Max

 

[Baron Max]

Ok Orleander, how old were you when you stopped running around naked in front of your family growing up? forget the bikini's and underwear......I mean naked?

Yeah, but then she might have been fat and ugly and unattractive, so her brothers would have been naturally repulsed. And so she's basing all of her knowledge on what boys do around fat, ugly girls!

Baron Max

 

[shorty_37]

Yeah, but then she might have been fat and ugly and unattractive, so her brothers would have been naturally repulsed. And so she's basing all of her knowledge on what boys do around fat, ugly girls!

Baron Max

LOL..............HAHAHA!!! This is true, You can't always take ONLY your own personal experience into count!

 

[Orleander]

wow, you are really good at avoiding the questions, twisting the subject and <gasp!> making it personal.
shorty, I expect, but Baron??

 

[shorty_37]

wow, you are really good at avoiding the questions, twisting the subject and <gasp!> making it personal.
shorty, I expect, but Baron??

We have learned it from the BEST!!! Sam, Bells and even You.

 

[Xev]

I have an idea.............

How about you strap on heart rate monitor

God. I read this as "how about you wear a strap-on." Now I want to hurl.

And - do some of you really think that you'd be sexually aroused if you saw a family member naked?