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M*W: You are wrong. In the first place, how can you know atheists feel threatened? I'm an atheist, and I don't feel threated because you or other theists believe in god. There is no threat whatsoever. In fact, I used to be a christian. I know how christians think and feel, and it's no threat to me that there is no god. Actually, it's a feeling of understanding and relief. All those mysteries of christianity are finally understood. They just don't exist. They mean nothing, so there is nothing to fear.
Hi there girl, I knew someone would write against my post quickly, it is in your nature to find the truth...
I believe Christians have been fooled.
In the great work of Nietzsche “Thus spoke Zarathustra”, the last message from Zarathustra to his disciples was: “Be careful with me. I have told you everything I had to say. Now be careful with me. Don´t follow me; forget about me. Let me and go away.”
This is the last message from all the great masters. No great master want to turn you into a puppet, because he would be killing you. He would be a Killer. He will help you be yourself. The master means a chance for you, to be yourself. Only the small minds, the narrow minds that pretend to be masters and aren´t, will want to impose over you.
M*W: I get 'upset,' not because there is a threat that there is no god, but because I see people lying to themselves. That really bothers me. I hurt for them, especially since I've been there and walked in their shoes. Or maybe, they are walking in my shoes, and someday they too will receive the gift of knowledge.
Yes, you were fooled, and they are continue being fooled into following a belief system, no belief system is real; there are spiritual paths as there are people walking in this Earth. The key, is acceptance.
Knowledge is a dangerous thing my friend, if you put selfless love into the equation, you may find wisdom, and that is indeed a wonderful gift.
M*W: I experienced god in the past. It was a good 'feeling,' but it wasn't reality. I only made myself believe it was true when it wasn't. It's like believers wear blinders, so they can hide what they DON'T WANT to see and BELIEVE what they're afraid NOT to believe. It's a mind game. People play mind games with themselves all the time. It's human nature. The weak man looks in the mirror and sees Brad Pitt. The fat girl looks in the mirror and sees Christie Brinkley. The child looks in the mirror and imagines himself as an adult. We do this all the time. I used to sit in church and pretend to be a christian, but so did the entire congregation. We're all seeing ourselves as we want to be, but not as we truly are. We can't help it. Then one day we look in that mirror and we don't see the same image our imagination has told us to see and made us to believe. Sometimes we stand in front of that mirror, and we are stripped of everything that would remind us of our imagined selves. We either start to make ourselves over or we succumb to our imaginary selves. We can either see ourselves as we really are, or we can go on pretending to be what we think society wants us to be. I chose to be myself and lose the labels society put on me. One of those labels was being a christian. It was then and only then that I was able to remove that label and pursue the truth. Christians are afraid to pursue the truth, so they just keep believing in their imaginary self, the self they allow society to create of them.
You are right, you thought you experienced God, but that is not real. If you really had experienced God, we wouldn´t be having this conversation.
Most people in religious groups are hipocryte, because of the reasons you stated. There is no "common path" towards God, that doesn´t exist. Each of us have to seek God within ourselves, and not in an external place.
The realm of God is an inner-experience, and once you reach it, there is no center... You become one with the existance, you realize our current reality is nothing but a lie. You change my friend, you are no longer a person, you have become enlightened.
Each of us have to potential to become Christ, to become a Buddha, we have the same seed; but we can never become Jesus, and we can never become Gautama. this is the reason why a belief system is not the answer, because it teaches you only how to follow Jesus in the case of Christianity. But there is no figure to follow, God is within ourselves, we cannot find Him by walking someone else´s path...
M*W: Change can be scary for some and relief for others. I don't believe it is a "god' who changes you, it is yourself. Only you can imagine your being, and only you can change how you imagine yourself. Had I allowed myself to be more of a pawn to society, I probably would have gone along with the christian game plan just to please the public, but I saw that I was losing myself to a make-believe religion.
Yes, Christianity is a make-believe religion, so are many others, but that doesn´t mean there is no God. There is no religion that will show you the way to reach God, there is not even one.
You can see thousands and thousands of Christians, Catholics, whatever, but none of them have really experienced God.
God is a search within our very soul, our most inner-self, and that is different from person to person.
M*W: Being defensive is not what atheism is about. I don't feel the need to defend my atheism, and I don't care about a god. There is no god, therefore, there is no reason at all to be defensive. I don't have to change unless I want to change. No one else can make me change, and certainly, no imaginary god can make me change. Having been there and done that in the past, I won't go there anymore. It's imaginary, not real.
That is what Im talking about, you don´t know how to reach the realm of God, and now you know you cannot reach it through a religious system... That is a good start my friend.
It is true, only you can change, and through change, internal change, you can reach the kingdom of God in this very realm, this very reality.
But just by saying that you don´t believe in God, you are obviously saying you don´t believe in something you don´t understand. And no one can really understand God, unless you experience it. No one can really tell you what God is, because words are not enough.
M*W: The inability to prove a god exists or doesn't exist is all the more reason for a god to be imaginary. I don't worship an imaginary god. The inability to prove such a being is enough for me to deny its existence. I've been happier with myself since I became an atheist. One must strip away all the imaginary labels society sticks on us. I'm not saying that it is an easy thing to do, but if one pursues happiness, it must be done. We should answer to no one but ourselves.
Only a religious belief system can tell you to worship their God, and it is different in every religion, that is the reason why most people don´t believe in God, confussion. So we agree that religious belief systems are not for real, those are man-made solutions to a divine issue.
Why can´t people explain what God is? because we haven´t experienced Him ourselves, so we can´t possibly explain it to you.
If you try to teach the colors to a blind person, you will not succeed, but the colors are there, they are a reality. But there is no communication between you and the blind person in this matter, because how can you explain colors?
The same happens with the masters and their disciples, the master has experienced the realm of God, but his disciples haven´t, so the master can only try, this is the main obstacle, there is no communication.
But many masters have come to show us techniques and precepts to reach God, and it is very difficult to understand. You need to change, in order to reach God, that is the main reason why you don´t believe in Him. Because why would you change for someone who doesn´t exist?
For me is logical, the fact that there is life within us, it is indeed a prove of God; God is everywere and everything, but we can only experience HIm deep within ourselves.
M*W: Sorry, but I've just seen too many god-fearing people who were miserable to the core. Most, if not all, of these people were christian. It's not about being defensive. If one truly believed in their faith, there would be no need to be defensive. There is no need to be a defensive atheist, either. I'm not defensive about my lack of belief. There are no consequences in being an atheist. It is christians who live in fear. What a way to live! How can one be defensive of something that is not there? That is called delusion.
Yes my friend, that is delusional, but if you believe in karma, you know that everything that happens to you is because of your previous karma. We have done many stupid things, and continue doing this things, this affects our karma.
Then you may think, how can I get over this vicious cycle? of karma, you can, that is what the teachers of manking have come here to show us. You can break the karma cycle, you can be one with the existance, in eternal bliss, and you can achieve that in this very life.
Like Jesus, he paid for his whole Karma in his last life, he broke his cycle, his karma was discipated in the crucifixion, so he will not experience another birth, unless he wants to. Christians don´t tell you this things do they?
When you break the cycle of karma, you get into the realm of God, you become one with the Universe.
