Why do Americans still dislike atheists?

Why scientist hunt for Higgs particle are they really know that it exist, are we sure about dark matter or dark energy?
We do not know for sure that those things exist. But there is overwhelming evidence that something like them exist. The present and past behavior of the natural universe indicate that something with the approximate characteristics of the Higgs boson must exist, and that something with the approximate characteristics of dark matter must exist. If it is not those exact things that we have hypothesized, by looking for them we will come closer to finding the exact things that are responsible for the phenomena we observe.

In contrast, there is absolutely no evidence of any kind suggesting that an invisible, illogical supernatural universe exists, from which conscious, angry creatures capriciously unleash powerful forces to perturb the behavior of the natural universe. On the contrary, all of the evidence we have collected, since science as we know it arose, supports the premise that the natural universe is a closed system, whose behavior can be predicted by theories derived logically from empirical observation of its past and present behavior.

We have not solved all of the mysteries of the natural universe, but the ones we have solved never required throwing up our hands and saying, "Oh crap, there simply must be supernatural forces at work because there's no other way to explain these phenomena." The Higgs boson and dark matter may turn out to be incorrect hypotheses, but if they are falsified they will not send us running to a shaman, witch doctor or "priest" for the correct ones.
Why going in spends billions in hunting that does not affect mankind . Wouldn't better to spend the money for health an food growing for mankind?
Because we never know what's going to help mankind. The Theory of Relativity gave us nuclear power plants. As much as we regret the parallel development of nuclear weapons (which have killed far fewer people than the current Holy War among the Christians, Jews and Muslims), nuclear power appears to be our only short-term hope for reducing greenhouse gases and slowing global warming. Our only long-term hope is a ring of gigantic solar energy collectors in high orbit, beaming energy down as microwaves to receiving stations. This too is the product of science.

You never know where science will take you until you get there. Cosmology may yet unveil something like wormholes that will allow us to found colonies on other planets, greatly reducing the probability that the Holy War among the deluded believers in "God" will destroy civilization.
If theist are and chose to be ignorant in physical matter, you are ignorant in their subject which makes them happy. What is important in life is to be happy and make someone happy.
Certainly. But religionists--especially the Children of Abraham--have a nasty habit of rising up in unison every two or three generations in a paroxysm of violence, killing everyone who disagrees with their particular concept of God. This doesn't make anybody happy.
If that is the case then most of the things humanity are struggling to find are in reality unable for them to grasp. Why learn or use something that is more expensive than it is useless, unless it provides some sort of benefit to mankind as a whole.
Asked and answered. We never know the benefit of a discovery until it's been made. On the balance, the unexpected discoveries of science have been a boon to civilization. As a musician and a music lover I personally would not want to live in a world that did not have the 24/7 availability of professionally composed and performed music that we have today.
Man has never been able to solve his individual problems, what makes any of us think we could solve the world's with a machine.
That's a rather cynical view of humanity--not to mention historically incorrect. We have been solving problems with technology since the first ancestral species of humans learned how to use rocks as tools. The twin technologies of farming and animal husbandry--the Agricultural Revolution--made life immensely more secure by creating the first food surplus this planet had ever seen, ensuring that there would never again be a famine. At least not until colonialism left the world with dysfunctional nations ruled by despots.

Would you like to explain your objection to the technology of metallurgy, the wheel, or writing?
then it brings up the question of ; if some one asks you for advice, do you tell them what is best or what you do?
Generally both. I suppose if you have children you have to edit what you say, but I don't have any.
iow, have you ever gave advice that you didn't follow?
I have told people what I would like to do but have not found the time or strength to do it. When possible I explain why I failed. Perhaps they will have better luck than I did.
 
.......As much as we regret the parallel development of nuclear weapons (which have killed far fewer people than the current Holy War among the Christians, Jews and Muslims),......

Do you really believe that current wars are religious wars?

They are wars over resources.

And scientists are helping them to kill a lot more people than they would do otherwise.

Very good post though.
I may come back to some of your other arguments.
 
I find it more probable that we are missing something large from our naturalistic observations than dark matter or the higgs boson. Two things we could never touch or learn how to control.
 
I find it more probable that we are missing something large from our naturalistic observations than dark matter or the higgs boson. Two things we could never touch or learn how to control.
Ooh! Been using your infallible crystal ball again?
Or maybe just making stuff up...
 
That's a load of horseshit, I seriously don't get the objection to Dawkins

My biggest objection to Dawkins is that he poses as some kind of authority on "religion", has written several rather sophomoric books on it and teaches something related at Oxford, when in reality he's a complete layman who's largely ignorant of the deeper subtleties of the subject. I don't believe that he's ever sat through a university religion class or done very much serious and extended study of it.

Dawkins is an excellent world-class evolutionary biologist. Or at least he was, until he was diverted onto spending so much of his time on his antipathy towards religion. He seems to have gotten caught up in battling the anti-evolution creationists and that experience has distorted his whole perception of things.

he is the most mild mannered critic of religion around. There is just no nice way to say that religion sucks ass I guess.

Of course not. Announcing that "religion sucks ass" is just an expression of atheist prejudice, reminiscent of the the fundamentalists' own conviction that everyone outside their religion are all doomed and evil sinners
 
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Please don't represent religion as if it were a field where only an expert can know about it's intricacies. Every school child in Britain learns about the official religion in detail. There is nothing special about a priest that gives them a better understanding about religion than a biologist. Religion has distorted people's understanding of biology, so if he can't address that first, everything else he does in the name of popularization of science is useless.

Atheists are by definition prejudiced against religious claims, because those claims are unjustified by evidence. I don't care how calling something false is reminiscent of someone else calling something false, that is irrelevant. It's typically the last ditch effort to discredit an atheist when people call them fundamentalist. The problem is never fundamentalism but the nature of the fundamentals.
 
My infallible crystal ball has more raw unttapped naturalistic talent than you will ever see if you keep this up.
Keep what up?
Questioning your suppositions?
Querying your pronunciations?

Do you have any evidence (at all) that your comment is correct?
 
Which comment. They all look pretty good to me. Knowledge of something we already understand to exist in reality does not further knowledge. It does not further society with no apparent use. Yet If you could find something known to be tangible. Known to be unique. Known to have many if not all uses yet still vastly misunderstood and unknown to society as a whole.

You know what my Crystal Ball is friend. Yet you make no harsh statements towards my ideology. No criticism sharp enough to drive a dagger into my words or wisdom. Is that because it is physically impossible? Has your ego finally overrun your snippy mouth to the point in which truth is impossible to see. You have to dodge and retreat constantly hiding your anger behind sarcasm. Bringing up the past on some other topic. Your nothing more than a troll.
 
Which comment.
The one I queried. :rolleyes:
dark matter or the higgs boson. Two things we could never touch or learn how to control.

They all look pretty good to me. Knowledge of something we already understand to exist in reality does not further knowledge. It does not further society with no apparent use.
Wrong.

You know what my Crystal Ball is friend.
Yup, rubbish.

Yet you make no harsh statements towards my ideology. No criticism sharp enough to drive a dagger into my words or wisdom. Is that because it is physically impossible?
Nope, it's because your delusion is too profound.

Has your ego finally overrun your snippy mouth to the point in which truth is impossible to see. You have to dodge and retreat constantly hiding your anger behind sarcasm. Bringing up the past on some other topic. Your nothing more than a troll.
Still wrong; I'm querying a statement you made in this thread.
Anger? :shrug:
Where have I dodged?
 
"crystal ball" is often used as generic term for unfounded beliefs, made up statements, etc.
 
Because you appear to be making predictions about the future......
Um, no. You made a statement claiming we could "never" do a particular thing. I wondered how you know this. It's that simple.
Appearances are deceiving. Right now you can't touch dark matter or the higgs... that is truth in the present not future.
 
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