Yo SnakeLord, your making a fool of yourself
Your judgment of me bears no relevance here. I merely said its a contradiction to use the term belief and truth in the same sentence in the manner which you did. You can say.... 'i believe its true', but you cant say: 'i believe this and its true'. If you knew it was true you'd know, not believe.
Your having a debate on words
All you have is words, all i have is words. Maybe to change this we can use the tag in our next posts? Im sure i can find some good pictures on the net.
In all seriousness though it does show something of relevance that you perhaps can't see. If you knew it was truth there would be no questions of belief.
[quote]and anyways your argueing against yourself[/quote]
I wasn't arguing with anyone. I merely said its a contradiction to use the term belief and truth in the same sentence in the manner you did. You seem like a rather bitter individual.
[quote]Look at what you quoted. I said "This is what I believe, you don't have to accept it, but I know for myself that this is truth. Your eatin' your words bro.[/quote]
"I believe purple monkeys exist. You dont have to accept it, but i know it's true" If i knew it was true i wouldn't say it was what i believed. Instead my sentence would look like this: "I know purple monkeys exist." Of course for anyone else to accept that they'd require proof of such. Once they had the proof they too would say: "i know purple monkeys exist".
And actually i'm eating rum n' raisin ice cream with warm rhubarb crumble.
[quote]If there isn't a Holy One, Creator, then how, when, and where did anything come from anything?[/quote]
Nothing wrong with the questions.... Of course you wouldn't need to ask those questions if you knew the truth.
I never said there wasn't a creator, i never said there was. We don't know the answer to that, we can all guess as to what/who/where/when/how etc but none of us can claim knowledge of the truth. Ok you might have the truth- but it might also just be voices in your head. As such what you have is a belief. The only way we can really know the truth is by having been there to have witnessed it first hand. Please look at the point i mention below about the creator...
[quote]There had to be nothing that turned into something at some time.[/quote]
There had to? Can we humans understand the realms of infinity? We are but infants in a world of questions. There is so little we understand who's to say what is or isn't possible? Why did there have to be nothing? Just because our minds can't fathom it doesn't make it an instant impossibility. A great example of our lack of understanding with such issues is this: If everything has to have been created then what created the creator? If the creator was 'just there', then whats to stop the possibility in anything else being 'just there'? Now you see how little we understand? God existed and then created everything..... or everything existed we created god because we dont know how everything just existed. Yet by some grasp at thin air we claim nothing can have just existed then state god did just exist.
[quote]Get past your pride and admit that your just in denial.
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Pride has no relevance here. As for denial... who's to say? What's to say it's not just you in denial but passing the blame on to everyone else? I could well be in denial, so could you.
I try not to point the finger in such accusatory manner though. Either one of us could be in denial. We all put on 'faces' at times yet do we ever sit down and admit that to ourselves? Accusing others is pretty easy, finding it within yourself is the challenge.