Cottontop3000 said:
What is it about us that makes us need to argue about this? God is just a good reason to argue, to me, but I think there is something about humanity in general, some of us in particular, that makes us want to argue and fight with each other. Why?
Evolution. Competition, survival of the fittest and such.
If we can't really prove to each other that MY God is real, and yours is not, why do we feel like we have to argue over it? We can't really know, not in the sense that we can prove it to everyone, so why do we have to insist that we do know?
Because we want to win!
Why can't we accept that we don't know for sure, and accept that this is alright?
NO.
Accepting that we cannot know for sure is the same as accepting Pascal's Wager as a valid justification for faith.
Pascal's Wager is corrupted, mainly because it supposes that God does not act. And if God doesn't act now (and one is to believe in Him "just in case"), how sure can we be that He will act at the time of our death? Such a faith is faith out of fear and lack of better knowledge. One sould never commit to something out of fear or lack of better knowledge.
Why am I waiting with baited breath to take down whoever posts first?
I could answer this one, but I won't.
* * *
cole grey said:
Talking about something is one good way to think about that thing. You have to approach the questions from different angles than your usual ones.
Yes. More people know more.
* * *
Sauce said:
You can see another person's point of view. And its not "fighting." Its more of a debate or discussion virtually. And as you can see another person's point of view, you may be able to learn about them, or understand WHY they believe what they do
Why the hell would I be interested in what someone whom I do not know, cannot see or hear, thinks?
You suppose affiliation where there is none.
* * *
spidergoat said:
Some people cannot admit that they can't know for sure,
Admitting that you cannot know for sure is advocating relativism.
Will you admit that you cannot know for sure whether you love your cat or not?
Would you insist that you cannot know for sure whether you love your cat or not?
What consequences would such a suspension have for the way you treat your cat?
* * *
Cottontop3000 said:
Yes, Spidergoat, but why do we have to insist that our way is the only way and all others are wrong or evil?
Why do we have to think we are better than everyone else, and put them down just because they think differently?
Because we want to win. We follow our own self-preservation.
A part of the self-preservation, however, is cooperation. One has better chances of survival if it is within a group.
* * *
cato said:
my way (agnostic/atheist) is to understand that we cannot know for sure. and my argument is: since we can't know for sure, why would we let it control our entire lives?
The question is, how far does your agnosticism reach and how consistent it is.
You are agnostic about God. Why aren't you agnostic about trees, or about your password for the forum? Or about your feelings for your friend?
* * *
scorpius said:
well b/c it is
we all know the difference between right and wrong,
however theists will always try to justify evil,wrong etc when done in the name of God,well b/c god is god and hes beyong our understanding/comprehension has to be obeyed unquestioningly etc..ad nauseam....
religion justifies even the wrongest wrong evil shyt this way.so there will never be peace on Earth until this idiotic religious beliefs END.
Arguing strawmen is easy.
