Who the hell advised Trum to bomb Syria?

[sculptor]

this did..
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So, Trump's inner circle is convinced that Assad ordered the killing of children(without any evidence)
So Trump orders the killing of more Syrian children ..................
why?
To prove that we are the baddest mutherfuckers on the planet?
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kinda like:

Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I fear no evil
For I am the meanest, most evil, mutherfucker in the valley

 

[Quantum Quack]

So, Trump's inner circle is convinced that Assad ordered the killing of children(without any evidence)
So Trump orders the killing of more Syrian children ..................
why?
To prove that we are the baddest mutherfuckers on the planet?
............................................
....................................................................................................
kinda like:

Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I fear no evil
For I am the meanest, most evil, mutherfucker in the valley

Do you have any evidence that Trump had no evidence?
I was under the impression that the CIA had been monitoring Assad's chemical weapons program since he supposedly declared and handed them over years ago...

 

[joepistole]

So, Trump's inner circle is convinced that Assad ordered the killing of children(without any evidence)
So Trump orders the killing of more Syrian children ..................
why?
To prove that we are the baddest mutherfuckers on the planet?
............................................
....................................................................................................
kinda like:

Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I fear no evil
For I am the meanest, most evil, mutherfucker in the valley

And where is your evidence to back up your assertion the Trump administration had no evidence? The had plenty of evidence. They observed the weapons as they were dropped. And Assad has a long history here of using chemical weapons against Syrians. There is plenty of evidence.

Is killing babies with chemical weapons worse than killing babies with bombs and bullets? Regardless of how Assad kills babies, he is still killing babies.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/04/syria-assad-chemical-weapons-trump/521919/

 

[Quantum Quack]

To prove that we are the baddest mutherfuckers on the planet?

but you are...the voters have voted Trump in....and now we all gotta live with it...
It's not like we can't say "we told you so" now is it...

Trump is unstable, impulsive and totally unfit to be POTUS. Always has been and always will be...

 

[exchemist]

You can't see the difference between

Saddam Hussein controlling the world's market with Iraq's (and his neighbors's) light, sweet, cheaply shallow, and abundant oil - on his terms and in his chosen currency, for his profit and power, and hostile to Western oil companies;

and Exxon, Chevron, etc, controlling Iraq's market-setting oil on their terms and in dollars, for their profit and power, under a friendly government.

Seriously: you can't see any difference there?
Perhaps if you took a closer look at W's biography, political backing, administration officials, and cabinet (in particular: count the oil and military/industrial company executives in major roles - starting with President, Vice President, and Secretary of State);
and researched the Project For a New American Century, a fossil fuel industry / military contractor funded, wingnut libertarian capitalist assembled (Ayn Rand and Leo Strauss inspired), political influence organization that backed W and gained major power with his election;

you would be less puzzled.

US military invasion of Iraq was something the PNAC had been pushing for a long time. It was a major part of their agenda in working for W's election.

No I don't see much difference at all. Saddam never "controlled the market" The only party ever able to do that was KSA. And who was this "neighbour", with whom he would have had to collaborate, in order to exercise this putative control? Iran? You must be kidding!

Saddam needed to sell his oil and it therefore appeared on the market. It may have been bought by different parties but they in turn will have not needed to buy from other sources, which then would be available to every one else. There can, it's true, be a second-order effect in that crude quality varies from location to location, but Saddam's was by no means all light sweet crude in any case: http://gulfnews.com/business/sectors/energy/iraq-oil-the-crude-oil-quality-dilemma-1.1103018 (We used Basrah and Kirkuk for lubricants manufacture, so light it was not.) And, if less desirable crude is available to any given buyer, the shortfall in the products they want to make from it is fairly easily made up by trading in refined products instead of crude. It seems very odd indeed to me to go to war over a second-order cost-optimisation, rather than an actual physical shortage of oil. The joke is that what DID make a difference of the amount oil available globally was the destruction of wells and storage facilities caused by the war - an entirely foreseeable result.

So no, I have never bought the argument that the Iraq invasion is remotely rationally explained by some alleged need for oil by the USA or by the UK, who were the two principal countries that mounted the invasion. What I do think had a major influence among the neocons was the Israeli Lobby. I think they had some daft vision of a tranquil, democratic Iraq, with a blue and white flag just like that of Israel (one was even proposed at one stage after Saddam's fall, to general derision), which would make Israel feel more secure [cue hollow laughter].

 

[Schmelzer]

but you are...the voters have voted Trump in....and now we all gotta live with it....

Yes, the Americans have voted for Trump, and have now to live with what Clinton tells Trump to do in Syria. That's how American democracy works.

But, don't worry, regarding the really important questions, about which toilets transvestites have to use, the Trump voters will get what they want.

 

[joepistole]

Yes, the Americans have voted for Trump, and have now to live with what Clinton tells Trump to do in Syria. That's how American democracy works.

But, don't worry, regarding the really important questions, about which toilets transvestites have to use, the Trump voters will get what they want.

Hmm....are you really that ignorant comrade?

 

[iceaura]

No I don't see much difference at all. Saddam never "controlled the market" The only party ever able to do that was KSA. And who was this "neighbour", with whom he would have had to collaborate, in order to exercise this putative control? Iran? You must be kidding!

Please reread a little bit - you are not making sense.

Nobody ever said said anything about Saddam already controlling the oil market - the problem was the future: his abundant supply of light, cheap crude was capable of setting the world's market price of oil below what Exxon et al could match, at least in short spells (he could undercut anyone's price and still make a ton of money himself); his neighbors and fellow light, sweet, cheap crude possessors included Kuwait (easily dominated, or slant drilled) and Iran (already hostile to the US and friendly with Russia); as well as Syria geographically (again, already hostile and Russian allied). His crude, even alone but especially in combination with theirs, was therefore capable of seriously damaging the petrodollar at the dawn of China's rise.

Worse, he was threatening to cut the entire Western oil corporation hegemony out of the picture - Iran was certainly on board with that, Kuwait was vulnerable, China amenable, and Russia eager. He didn't need them, didn't want to pay them, didn't like them, and was potentially capable of wrecking their business model to his own enormous profit.

In this situation, his overtures to Russia and moves to trade in Euros or basket currencies were direct and serious threats to Exxon, Chevron, BP, and Shell. Does this make the "oil argument" easier to understand?

What I do think had a major influence among the neocons was the Israeli Lobby.

No argument there. The neocons provided the propaganda cover and intellectual support, and Israel was a big help in getting them installed in Washington influence roles.

But they had been floating around for a long time without acquiring the military/industrial backing necessary to launch the US into major war. Neocons could get some money to play in their Third World Peruvian sandboxes and make think tank trouble at the Fed, they were handy for campaign rhetoric about tax cuts, but Cheney and his crowd were not neocons. What was sitting around the head table in W's administration was a collection of military generals and big oil contracting execs. Houston, not Harvard, had the last word.

 

[sculptor]

And where is your evidence to back up your assertion the Trump administration had no evidence? The had plenty of evidence. They observed the weapons as they were dropped. And Assad has a long history here of using chemical weapons against Syrians. There is plenty of evidence.

Is killing babies with chemical weapons worse than killing babies with bombs and bullets? Regardless of how Assad kills babies, he is still killing babies.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/04/syria-assad-chemical-weapons-trump/521919/

from your link
which the Assad regime has been accused of carrying out
accused
so, let's skip the trial and go straight to the hanging

If I were to accuse you of having inappropriate intimate relations with the woman who gave birth to you does that automatically mean that you really are a motherfucker?

Is there no deceit nor dishonesty to which you warmongering neocon shills of the military industrial complex will not stoop to justify bombing of innocent women and children all in the name of warmongering profits?
Do you love raytheon so much and have such little care for your fellow human beings?
Have you have no decency left sir, have you no soul?

 

[iceaura]

Yes, the Americans have voted for Trump, and have now to live with what Clinton tells Trump to do in Syria

Because Clinton is part of the "deep State", according to your imagination of how things have to work in the US, and gives orders to the President.

Look: Clinton couldn't get the voting machines rigged her way in Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, or Florida. With the President as her ally. Ponder that fact.

'Head of the KGB'?! Ha ha - you're funny. From: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/russiagov/putin.htm

And you think Yeltsin freely chose a midlevel bureaucrat of no particular significance or connections to be Prime Minister?

You are of course correct in calling me out on my overblown and Western-silly (KGB?) rhetoric in describing Putin - but he was not an ordinary midlevel bureaucrat, and his control over things like the repatriation of "Soviet property " from WWII occupied European territory to Russia is something Soviet Jews are likely to remember, along with their treatment and status under his governance (as official head of the Russian secret police he had been a deeply connected member of, in European territory, overseeing matters such as emigration).

That link I gave in #33, wasted on the intended recipient, - feel free to try and pick holes in it. Open and shut case. The 'fundies' really in charge reside mostly in The Promised Land. Set to significantly expand. Over the rubble and graves of millions of their innocent victims.

Israeli Zionists don't run the US government. They've got their thumb on the scales - and as the only non-Muslim country in the middle of the world's oil patch, it's a heavy thumb - but the Jews in the US are not even all Zionists, let alone in secret Zionist control of the US military.

The US military is not even all that favorably inclined toward Zionists - honor culture memories are long, and the natural anti-Semitism of the US military cultural base was not soothed by this kind of event: http://www.military.com/daily-news/...-still-plays-down-israels-attack-on-ship.html

 

[iceaura]

Is there no deceit nor dishonesty to which you warmongering neocon shills of the military industrial complex will not stoop to justify bombing of innocent women and children all in the name of warmongering profits?

No.

So quit voting for them. At a minimum, first step: never vote for a Republican politician again. The entire Party has been taken over by those people, and is lost to decency and sound governance. Anyone worthy of a vote must find another Party or political allegiance.

 

[joepistole]

from your link
which the Assad regime has been accused of carrying out
accused
so, let's skip the trial and go straight to the hanging

If I were to accuse you of having inappropriate intimate relations with the woman who gave birth to you does that automatically mean that you really are a motherfucker?

Is there no deceit nor dishonesty to which you warmongering neocon shills of the military industrial complex will not stoop to justify bombing of innocent women and children all in the name of warmongering profits?
Do you love raytheon so much and have such little care for your fellow human beings?
Have you have no decency left sir, have you no soul?

Oh my Sculptor, you've managed to get your nickers a knot. If there is no snow outside and the next day there is, it's pretty safe to day it snowed.

If not Assad, who did it? For you to be believed one has to ignore all of the evidence, and you have to believe that the Syrian rebels have repeatedly committed gassed themselves, their wives and their children using equipment they don't have just to blame Assad for doing it.

Do you seriously think that makes any kind of sense? Do you have any evidence to support your assertion? And none of this is new. Assad has been doing this for some time now. US surveillance witnessed the attack. They saw the bomber leave the airbase. They saw the bombs being dropped, and they saw the after affects.

Have you no soul? You condone these attacks. You condone these murders. You condone this suffering.

 

[Schmelzer]

Because Clinton is part of the "deep State", according to your imagination of how things have to work in the US, and gives orders to the President.
Look: Clinton couldn't get the voting machines rigged her way in Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, or Florida. With the President as her ally. Ponder that fact.

The question which persons define the deep state is not a question which is important for me. Maybe Clinton is itself part of it, maybe she is only a puppet, who cares? What matters is that it is quite sure that most of the deep state supported her, but not all. Else, she would have won. Some deep state faction has supported Trump. Else, he would have had no chance.

Given that, as it appears, there is now full unity about the foreign policy, it makes not much sense to speculate about what is the reason for this unity - some really serious battle behind the scene which has been won by the CIA, some compromise between the factions, or not even a disagreement about foreign policy from the start (with some disagreement about other questions), whatever. The point of the deep state is that we cannot control it, cannot even know who are the real rulers behind the scene. Tell your grandmother the story about Trump really believing this White Helmet fake. He had to do this and has done this. And Clinton is satisfied and wants even more of this. This is what we see. The war party of the deep state controls above parties. This is what matters for the rest of the world.

We have to prepare for war. Not because Trump was elected, but because the election was irrelevant about this - the war party was the only choice in the election.

So quit voting for them. At a minimum, first step: never vote for a Republican politician again.

Elect, instead, honest warmongers, instead of people who claim they don't war but then start wars? What would be the point? Anyway, it ends with war.

 

[sculptor]

If not Assad, who did it? For you to be believed one has to ignore all of the evidence, and you have to believe that the Syrian rebels have repeatedly committed gassed themselves, their wives and their children using equipment they don't have just to blame Assad for doing it.

Do you seriously think that makes any kind of sense? Do you have any evidence to support your assertion? And none of this is new. Assad has been doing this for some time now. US surveillance witnessed the attack. They saw the bomber leave the airbase. They saw the bombs being dropped, and they saw the after affects.

The "rebels"/terrorists didn't gas themselves, they gassed children.

There are doubts over whether the suspected chemical weapons strike in Ghouta came from Assad's forces
The Ghouta attack
Obama's Director of National Intelligence at the time, James Clapper, was able to dissuade Obama from ordering a cruise missile strike, according to a newly-published book by Mideast expert Michael Lüders. Presumably, a deciding factor was an analysis of the chemical weapons used in Ghouta, conducted by a British military lab, which found the gas to be of a different composition than the Syrian army possessed.

The attack took place while UN weapons inspectors were in the country, on Assad's invitation, said Meyer. Assad had asked them to investigate a chemical weapons attack from March 2013 outside Aleppo, which killed Syrian soldiers.

"It makes no sense that the regime would carry out an attack with inspectors in the country," he said.

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Don't buy into the propaganda so easily.
You've a brain?
Use it for some independent thinking.

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We do know that the 'rebels"/terrorists/mercenaries have sarin (most likely supplied by our "friends" in qatar or saudi arabia.
We do know that they have used it in the past to create a "false flag" to draw us into their "war".

What we don't know is whose gas was used?
Nor, how it happened.
Did a syrian bomb hit a rebel's chemical weapons store room?
Did the "rebels" stage this for the cameras?

We do not know?
Ignorance is as good an excuse as any to bomb people.
Just like having a hangnail is as good of an excuse as any to go on a murdering spree.

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http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-...hemical-weapons-ghouta-attack-in-2013/5583713

 

[Tiassa]

So, Trump's inner circle is convinced that Assad ordered the killing of children(without any evidence)
So Trump orders the killing of more Syrian children ..................
why?
To prove that we are the baddest mutherfuckers on the planet?

Well, this is #WhatTheyVotedFor.

 

[iceaura]

The question which persons define the deep state is not a question which is important for me.

So quit posting nonsense about it.

What matters is that it is quite sure that most of the deep state supported her, but not all.

No, it isn't. It isn't even clear that you can identify such "support" when present, or that your imagination has provided you with a reasonable idea of what the "deep State" in the US is.

Given that, as it appears, there is now full unity about the foreign policy, it makes not much sense to speculate about what is the reason for this unity

There isn't any such unity, and it doesn't appear. US foreign policy is now a chaotic damn mess, and that's what it looks like.

We have to prepare for war. Not because Trump was elected, but because the election was irrelevant about this - the war party was the only choice in the election.

Give up with the elaborate, flailing speculations. You were wrong about Trump. You didn't see him coming, because you can't see fascism - same reason you can't see Assad, or Putin, for who they are and what they've done. You're literally blind to it.

You have to prepare for all kinds of military crap from the US, the world's most powerful and dangerous military by far, because (due to the co-option of a major political Party via colluding and complicit media) the US has elected a fascist President and a fascist-dominated Legislature, and that's how such people roll when they have power. You were warned about this, months in advance. So were the Americans who voted for him.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Those two lines quoted in #31, and your defense of them as serious comment, will forever define you in my eyes. One strange and sick individual willingly and knowingly choosing to offer zero resistance to the world's master criminals intent on creating more and more misery, chaos and death for all outside their tribe. By cunningly playing one lot against another along the way.
I guess you'll cheer them on even more after reading through this: http://thepoisonappleoftheworld.com/the-samson-option/

I am going to close my eyes and hope it all goes away.

Alex

 

[Quantum Quack]

We have to prepare for war.

Too late! You needed to do that well before you intervened in Ukraine, annexed Crimea and shot down that Malaysian Air Commercial jet.

 

[sculptor]

Si vis pacem, para bellum

 

[sculptor]

Well, this is #WhatTheyVotedFor.

And the really disturbing thing is:
You may actually believe what you posted.