Who the hell advised Trum to bomb Syria?

Michael said:
So, Russia and Syria were given a heads up, then Trump bypasses Congress, and bombs a nearly deserted airfield, with a 100 million dollar fireworks display, which for the most part missed the target. The trend is clear, when you live in a Progressive Socialist paradise, with a Progressive Central Bank and Progressive Income Tax, there's no need of Congress, but there is a need to consolidate power into the hands of a strongman.

Welcome to the United BanaRepublic of Amoorika where the Theater of War and Political Theater make a mockery of whatever is left of the ideals of the American Republic.

But, this is all baked in the Socialistic Cake - inevitable.
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The more I read on this subject, the more I think that the Syrian airbase was just a foil and not the mein target.
(I have a tendency to not take coincidence as coincidence)
So
Trump authorizes the bombing of an almost empty airbase, after warning the Russians and by proxy the Syrians, while having dinner with Xi Jinping and urging him to curb North Korea's atomic/missile programs while dispatching a carrier battle group to North Korean waters.

Those poor dead Syrians were just pawns in a global power game.
 
sculptor said:
The more I read on this subject, the more I think that the Syrian airbase was just a foil and not the mein target.
(I have a tendency to not take coincidence as coincidence)
So Trump authorizes the bombing of an almost empty airbase, after warning the Russians and by proxy the Syrians, while having dinner with Xi Jinping and urging him to curb North Korea's atomic/missile programs while dispatching a carrier battle group to North Korean waters.
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Yep. Trump bombing the airbase where he is supposed to think that there are chemical weapons, Syrian firefighters fighting the fires after this without caring about any chemical weapons, Russian journalists reporting from the base without caring about chemical weapons being hit there, and White Helmets playing Oscar-worth films helping the victims of the "attack", but without caring about protecting themselves - nobody has cared about about protection against chemical weapons. Judge yourself where this makes sense, and where it does not make sense.
for example a Russian reporter presents, without any protection, things which some Ukrainian fascsists have name "chemical weapons", and makes fun of this. Similarly
 
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sculptor said:
Trump authorizes the bombing of an almost empty airbase, after warning the Russians and by proxy the Syrians, while having dinner with Xi Jinping and urging him to curb North Korea's atomic/missile programs while dispatching a carrier battle group to North Korean waters.
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ok...read what you wrote again... and think on it some more...
  • Empty base
  • No chems
  • Warns enemy well ahead of time
  • No sign of protection being worn
  • Base operational immediately
  • Coincides with meeting China in lavish banquet ... states no deal made but working on it..
  • Strike fleet changes plans and moves towards North Korea.
what else?
anything left out?
 
Schmelzer said:
Yep. Trump bombing the airbase where he is supposed to think that there are chemical weapons, Syrian firefighters fighting the fires after this without caring about any chemical weapons, Russian journalists reporting from the base without caring about chemical weapons being hit there, and White Helmets playing Oscar-worth films helping the victims of the "attack", but without caring about protecting themselves - nobody has cared about about protection against chemical weapons. Judge yourself where this makes sense, and where it does not make sense.
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per se, it makes no sense
ergo my post above
 
Quantum Quack said:
ok...read it again... and think on it some more...
  • Empty base
  • No chems
  • Warns enemy well ahead of time
  • No sign of protection being worn
  • Base operational immediately
  • Coincides with meeting China in lavish banquet ... states no deal made but working on it..
  • Strike fleet changes plans and moves towards North Korea.
what else?
anything left out?
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Trump getting to watch Xi Jinping's reaction to the news.
 
sculptor said:
per se, it makes no sense
ergo my post above
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exactly! makes no sense...
He has embarrassed himself in front of China due to the hopeless nature of his missile attack. Demonstrated very poor military judgement... etc.
He has created a flurry of angst for effectively no gain.
The only answer is that he acted impulsively as part of his mental and emotional instability. His actions defy normal reasoning. IMO
 
Look, Trump feeds into peoples emotional states. He reads the public and reacts so as to make himself look good and feel good.
When those graphic images went viral on the web he just did what most people would do when confronted with the face value of the so called atrocity in Syria. He makes what he thinks is a serious message and believes he accomplished his agenda. He made people feel good, that something was being done about the mess in Syria. He was for a small amount of time the "hero", the messiah.
Of course most of this is delusion and mass hysteria.
( don't forget he is a strong right to lifer - re: babies)

His actual mission failed but the placebo effect is profound.
 
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exchemist said:
No I think that is just a conspiracy theory. Saddam was in no position to "cut the entire Western oil corporation hegemony out of the picture".
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He most certainly was. He and his likewise hostile neighbors owned the cheapest high-quality oil on the planet, in enough abundance to move the market indefinitely.
A huge amount of crude is owned by national governments in any case and whether Iraq sold to oil majors or not made little difference to the global oil trade, given the multiplicity of other sources and the vast and flexible availability from KSA. In fact, the world did perfectly fine with almost no Iraqi oil on the market, for years, after the invasion wrecked the supply system.
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But that's irrelevant. The threat from Saddam was his ability to undercut anyone's price while delivering high quality oil, and do that without using dollars. That bid to destroy the petrodollar and gut half Western Oil's profits in one step, while making Saddam de facto Ottoman Shah. Removing that threat would be the key - getting Iraq's oil being an attractive bonus, which didn't work out as well as planned, too bad.
Of course that's a conspiracy theory. So? There are the conspirators, Cheney and his oil pals front and center, having secret meetings whose mere attendance Cheney refuses to acknowledge to Congress in open defiance of law and custom both, an administration full of oil execs lying and cheating and bribing and bullying and bending everything they can to get the US to invade this country we have no reason to invade in the middle of a crisis that is actually serious - this isn't a stretch.
sculptor said:
The more I read on this subject, the more I think that the Syrian airbase was just a foil and not the mein target.
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Which, as noted, was an immediate implication of the detail that half the missiles seem to have gone missing, and the damage was light - few deaths, etc.

Trump diplomacy.
 
iceaura said:
Which, as noted, was an immediate implication of the detail that half the missiles seem to have gone missing, and the damage was light - few deaths, etc.
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perhaps the military made... uhm... some adjustments to the plan with out informing Trump?
If so we should see something in the news very soon...
 
The Chinese president is no fool. He can see right through Trump... Trumps body language during a press conference during his meeting speaks volumes IMO.
 
Quantum Quack said:
exactly! makes no sense...
He has embarrassed himself in front of China due to the hopeless nature of his missile attack. Demonstrated very poor military judgement... etc.
He has created a flurry of angst for effectively no gain.
The only answer is that he acted impulsively as part of his mental and emotional instability. His actions defy normal reasoning. IMO
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I think you are wrong in this.
See above
 
Quantum Quack said:
What do you think the Chinese Gov. assessment of all this would be?
Knowing all they know about Trump ?
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I really do not know.
Xi Jinping has always "played his cards close to the chest". People seem to have rarely known what he was going to do until he did it.

I think that I may have some insight as to Trump's plan in all this.
Home field advantage?

Historically, our media "talking heads" have consistently confused tactics with strategy.
And, that too may have been part of the plan...................
If we grant that Trump actually planned this.
If so, then the gas attack could well have been done by our allies at the behest of our leaders.
If so, then that was:
Damned cold blooded.

(when is a coincidence not a coincidence?)

(I have had a visceral dislike for Trump ever since I accidentally watched one of his "apprentice" shows.)
 
Quantum Quack said:
What do you think the Chinese Gov. assessment of all this would be?
Knowing all they know about Trump ?
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I think they are accepting it for what it is. It clearly shows Trump is willing to take risks and do bold things. You know I am no fan of The Donald, but Trump rather effectively made a point. He is willing to do bold things. That's kind of the point.

It also shows Trump is very inconsistent. A few days ago he was okay with Assad remaining in power. Now, he isn't. Why, because Assad has continued to do what he has always done. It's the education of The Donald.

I think it's obvious to the Chinese Trump hasn't been well informed in the past. Hopefully he will be better informed in the future. Recent changes at the National Security Council suggest he will be.
 
Quantum Quack said:
The Chinese president is no fool. He can see right through Trump... Trumps body language during a press conference during his meeting speaks volumes IMO.
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It would not take much to see through Trump. He is obviously profoundly ignorant about world affairs and is motivated purely by the adoration of Trump. I just can't believe that half of the USA is blind to the screamingly obvious fact that he is completely out of his depth when dealing with other world leaders, and this was obvious before his election.
 
Quantum Quack said:
Look, Trump feeds into peoples emotional states. He reads the public and reacts so as to make himself look good and feel good.
When those graphic images went viral on the web he just did what most people would do when confronted with the face value of the so called atrocity in Syria. He makes what he thinks is a serious message and believes he accomplished his agenda. He made people feel good, that something was being done about the mess in Syria. He was for a small amount of time the "hero", the messiah.
Of course most of this is delusion and mass hysteria.
( don't forget he is a strong right to lifer - re: babies)

His actual mission failed but the placebo effect is profound.
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This was a pretty masterful stroke on Trump's part. It does the following:

1) It changes the narrative. The talk of his collusion with Russia is no longer dominating media coverage.
2) It appeals to American nationalism and gives him the appearance of strength strength and courage.
3) Attacking Assad is popular with both Republicans and Democrats. Assad's gassing of children is something easy to despise, if you are not a Russian or Iranian.
4) After suffering several failures, this is an easy and much needed success for the Trump administration. This is his first success since inauguration.

Now what did it cost him? It really hasn't cost him much. Russia still likes him. It gives Russia relief from the investigation into their collusion with the Trump campaign. Domestically, this doesn't hurt Putin because Putin controls the Russian media. Overall it's a mixed bag for Russia.

Now that said, I don't think for a moment Trump is smart enough to have planned this out. Trump got lucky on this one. The danger is that given his success here, he will more likely use military solutions in the future. It's an easy fix for him. We have to hope his military and intelligence advisers hold him back.
 
joepistole said:
Now that said, I don't think for a moment Trump is smart enough to have planned this out. Trump got lucky on this one. The danger is that given his success here, he will more likely use military solutions in the future. It's an easy fix for him. We have to hope his military and intelligence advisers hold him back.
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Well said. The trouble is I think he has a long history of just dumping or firing anybody who disagrees with him, because his ego is far more important to him than acting correctly.
 
It seems that some of you are wearing anti-trump blinders which preclude your acquisition of knowledge.
 
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