Ah, a "The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe" Christian. Now there is a concept I agree with. Providing, of course, God exists.Originally posted by Pammy
In which case they will still go to heaven.
~Raithere
Ah, a "The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe" Christian. Now there is a concept I agree with. Providing, of course, God exists.Originally posted by Pammy
In which case they will still go to heaven.
Originally posted by Pammy
Perhaps you can explain your lion thing to me.
A bit presumptuous of me, I agree. The concept is one I ran into long ago when I first read the Narnia series; by CS Lewis (The first book is "The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardorbe"). One paragraph, in particular, struck me as true of any worthy God:Originally posted by Pammy
What do you mean by "The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe" Christian? I am not sure I understand that. By the way I am not Christian.
My understanding from your previous post is you are saying that people can follow the wrong thing and end up dead. I thought of the people who died in those cult mass suicide thinking they will go to heaven. I think they will go to heaven if they have done enough merits in their lives. (But not because they killed themselves). Ie the sheep who are lemmings in disguise who followed good will still go to heaven.
Originally posted by Raithere
A bit presumptuous of me, I agree. The concept is one I ran into long ago when I first read the Narnia series; by CS Lewis (The first book is "The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardorbe"). One paragraph, in particular, struck me as true of any worthy God:
"... But I said, Alas, Lord, I am no son of thine but the servant of Tash. He answered, Child, all the service thou hast done to Tash, I account as service done to me. Then by reasons of my great desire for wisdom and understanding, I overcame my fear and questioned the Glorious One and said, Lord, is it then true, as the Ape said, that thou and Tash are one? The Lion growled so that the earth shook (but his wrath was not against me) and said, It is false. Not because he and I are one, but because we are opposites, I take to me the services which thou hast done to him. For I and he are of such different kinds that no service which is vile can be done to me, and none which is not vile can be done to him. Therefore if any man swear by Tash and keep his oath for the oath's sake, it is by me that he has truly sworn, though he know it not, and it is I who reward him. And if any man do a cruelty in my name, then, though he says the name Aslan, it is Tash whom he serves and by Tash his deed is accepted. Dost thou understand, Child? I said, Lord, thou knowest how much I understand. But I said also (for the truth constrained me), Yet I have been seeking Tash all my days. Beloved, said the Glorious One, unless thy desire had been for me thou wouldst not have sought so long and so truly. For all find what they truly seek."
~Raithere
(edited to add emphasis)
Originally posted by Adam
A question. I seem to recall the christian bible mentioning something about believers going to heaven, and nobody else does. Now compare two people.
1) Hitler, who believed in the christian god.
2) Me, who doesn't, but at least tries to be good.
If I'm wrong and there is a god, am I just plain old screwed? Hitler gets in, and I don't?
There is an Hindu parable of sorts that depicts God at the summit of a mountain and the world's religions spread around the foothills. The followers ascend the mountain to reach God and as they get closer to God, they get closer to one another. I would add the following: We cannot get closer to God or to each other if we believe that we are the only ones on the mountain, or if we believe that we own the mountain, or if we are busy trying to throw everyone else off the mountain.