Who designed the designer?

Jan Ardena said:
Why?

Jan.
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It is frigging obvious & you know it. You cannot do anything with, by, for, to or about what you do not know exists. You may as well try to ride an imaginary bicycle or unicorn. We may as well devote ourselves to preventing a dragon swallowing the planet.

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Yazata said:
we still have the problem of where the 'laws of physics' come from. Why does reality behave this way rather than that way? What accounts for and undelies all those equations that theoretical physicists love so much?
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In essence physics can only operate in ONE mode

The mode it operates in is the only one possible due to its characteristics

Sure you can play "what if" but reality says back "don't bother you are stuck with this"

You can (might) consider some sort of duality, like mind / body as in characteristics / laws

I don't buy either of those. In both situations the two supposed parts of the duality are melded together and inseparable

:) Coffee time
 
Xelasnave.1947 said:
The murderer enjoys free will to choose to kill his victim and of course the victim does not get to exercise free will to choose not to die.
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No. This is a misunderstanding of the concept of free will. What you might ask instead is do we really have free will when we are created fallen. If there is original sin, then we are tainted with that, and our free will is actually not so free, we are biased towards sin.
 
Michael 345 said:
In essence physics can only operate in ONE mode

The mode it operates in is the only one possible due to its characteristics

Sure you can play "what if" but reality says back "don't bother you are stuck with this"

You can (might) consider some sort of duality, like mind / body as in characteristics / laws

I don't buy either of those. In both situations the two supposed parts of the duality are melded together and inseparable

:) Coffee time
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Reminds me of those who say physics might be different in another universe. What they seem to not get is if so, there is some cause(s) for things to be 1 way there & another way here.

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spidergoat said:
If there is original sin, then we are tainted with that, and our free will is actually not so free, we are biased towards sin.
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And we find ourselves discussing products of fantasy.
If there was no Adam and Eve where does that leave it?
Anyways I really dont give a ratz I have no interest in fiction.
Alex
 
Xelasnave.1947 said:
The notion of an intelligent designer seems to be religions contribution to science... Not.
But it stuck me today to enquire who designed the designer.
Did God design the designer or was the designer an alien sent here to design life suitable for the planet Earth.
Alex
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Maybe I'm a bit late to this one, but before I start, just to be clear, do you have problems with attributing a causeless cause to reality, or is this just another generic God beat-up?
 
Musika said:
Maybe I'm a bit late to this one, but before I start, just to be clear, do you have problems with attributing a causeless cause to reality, or is this just another generic God beat-up?
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Yes to both☺
I see the Universe as eternal which is my own idea and has no support but hey it fixes everything..no start no creator..it does makes sence that there was no start.
Even as we see the big bang as a start we may only see the tip of the ice burg and we live in only one of those endless cycles..that would make sence wouldnt it..things come in cycles..look at the seasons cycles but they are eternal so no creator no designer.
Alex
 
Xelasnave.1947 said:
Yes to both☺
I see the Universe as eternal which is my own idea and has no support but hey it fixes everything..no start no creator..it does makes sence that there was no start.
Even as we see the big bang as a start we may only see the tip of the ice burg and we live in only one of those endless cycles..that would make sence wouldnt it..things come in cycles..look at the seasons cycles but they are eternal so no creator no designer.
Alex
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In short, whatever thinking you employ to entertain an eternal universe without cause is of the same sort one can employ when defining God by the same criteria.
 
Musika said:
In short, whatever thinking you employ to entertain an eternal universe without cause is of the same sort one can employ when defining God by the same criteria.
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Yes we are just making stuff up.
I thought of another one... God actually came from the future to create everything.
Alex
 
Xelasnave.1947 said:
Yes we are just making stuff up.
I thought of another one... God actually came from the future to create everything.
Alex
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Whatever, but if you are comfortable with causeless causes in your own world view, it's clear the crux of the problem lies elsewhere.
 
Xelasnave.1947 said:
Yes we are just making stuff up.
I thought of another one... God actually came from the future to create everything.
Alex
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I have a question if I may?

As understand the religious people's position is god has exited for ever and had no cause

Keeping that in mind has anyone asked?
  • what brought god to a position
  • I'll create a Universe and
  • populate a world with humans
Well you know the rest

So
  • I'll give you god
  • I'll give you he has always existed
  • I'll give you he had no cause
  • I'll give you he created the Universe
  • I'll give you everything in the bible is 100% accurate and a historical record of happenings
Give me one thing

what put the thought, item 4, into gods head?

If religious have other terminology OK no problem use yours

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Michael 345 said:
Keeping that in mind has anyone asked?
  • what brought god to a position
  • I'll create a Universe and
  • populate a world with humans
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I am sure no one has asked but if he is into creating he is off somewhere else creating other interesting universes where he trials other things.
I think the idea is you can make up whatever suits you and declare it fact because you know you are right...
Alex
 
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