Where do they come from?

paddoboy said:
I see any sufficiently advanced civilisation, to be placid, peace loving and devoted to science, and the ways of science:
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Didn't you see "War of the Worlds" or "Independance Day" these were not just books like Rivers mate wrote (well one started as a book) these were movies.

They just don't pick these ideas out of thin air all movies are based on real life.

Didn't you see the aliens zap the folk on the top of that building who were throwing a welcome party.

You can't ignore that.

If they are intelligent enough to get here they are intelligent enough to judge humans as dangerous with the potential to stuff up the planet before they can set up their colonies.

No if they are intelligent and into science I don't think they will see humans as more than a plague threatening to consume the remaining resources they came here to get.

All that probing and testing is not to see if they can cure the common cold they are gathering data to formulate the mother of all insect sprays.

And they really are from Mars.
They look jealously at our planet and want to take it over before we blow it up.
Why do you think we started seeing UFOs round about the time we started playing with atomic bombs.
You can't ignore the evidence.
After you eliminate the impossible you select what you believe is probable and what you want to believe is the truth.
That wisdom was hidden in a novel simply because its wisdom is so powerful it needed to be hidden from the masses but recorded nevertheless.

Why waste money on a wall to keep out a cheap work force when that money and those workers can support the battlestar program.

The 900 billion US military budget and the rest of the world's 1million military budget would see a couple of flash battle stars orbiting the planet an stop the Martians hitting us with their spray...look they have already conducted tests.. Don't you know about chem trails..yes its you know who... And worst of all the Government knows but they don't want change and will simply ignore the problem.

If you haven't noticed that damn face on Mars is grinning you can't write that off to peace loving scientists.
Their planet is red for goodness sake you can't ignore that.
Mars the God of war I suppose you think the ancients made that up also...no that was told to the ancients by folk who had survived the great war.

Anyways I think MR has a slide show on all of this if you don't believe me.

Alex
 
Xelasnave.1947 said:
Didn't you see "War of the Worlds" or "Independance Day" these were not just books like Rivers mate wrote (well one started as a book) these were movies.

They just don't pick these ideas out of thin air all movies are based on real life.

Didn't you see the aliens zap the folk on the top of that building who were throwing a welcome party.

You can't ignore that.

If they are intelligent enough to get here they are intelligent enough to judge humans as dangerous with the potential to stuff up the planet before they can set up their colonies.

No if they are intelligent and into science I don't think they will see humans as more than a plague threatening to consume the remaining resources they came here to get.

All that probing and testing is not to see if they can cure the common cold they are gathering data to formulate the mother of all insect sprays.

And they really are from Mars.
They look jealously at our planet and want to take it over before we blow it up.
Why do you think we started seeing UFOs round about the time we started playing with atomic bombs.
You can't ignore the evidence.
After you eliminate the impossible you select what you believe is probable and what you want to believe is the truth.
That wisdom was hidden in a novel simply because its wisdom is so powerful it needed to be hidden from the masses but recorded nevertheless.

Why waste money on a wall to keep out a cheap work force when that money and those workers can support the battlestar program.

The 900 billion US military budget and the rest of the world's 1million military budget would see a couple of flash battle stars orbiting the planet an stop the Martians hitting us with their spray...look they have already conducted tests.. Don't you know about chem trails..yes its you know who... And worst of all the Government knows but they don't want change and will simply ignore the problem.

If you haven't noticed that damn face on Mars is grinning you can't write that off to peace loving scientists.
Their planet is red for goodness sake you can't ignore that.
Mars the God of war I suppose you think the ancients made that up also...no that was told to the ancients by folk who had survived the great war.

Anyways I think MR has a slide show on all of this if you don't believe me.

Alex
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You are confused Alex , but you are learning , good sign .
 
Yazata said:
Assuming that we are being visited by aliens (a big assumption as we all know) my first question would be whether they are extraterrestrials.
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origin said:
Huh? You mean as opposed to terrestrials, like immigrants?
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I explained that in the post you were quoting:

"If they aren't extraterrestrials, then what might they be?

Time-travelers is a possibility. If that's the case, they might come from the Earth's own future.

Or maybe visitors from an alternative timeline in a many-worlds cosmology. If that's the case, then they might come from an alternative Earth history."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation

One of my reasons for speculating that they might be from Earth is the various descriptions of ufo occupants as anatomical humanoids. Assuming (a big assumption) that the descriptions are accurate, that suggests common evolutionary history.
 
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Xelasnave.1947 said:
[...] My question is this .... If we are being visited by aliens where may they come from? [...] Underground on the Moon? Underground on Mars? [...]
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The title "Where do they come from?" does not specifically designate this concerning UFOS and "aliens" or the latter having to be from outer space. But given the clarification in the body, I guess this is what the topic and the interpretation of what an "alien" / UFO is must be limited to.

Aside from the assorted claims made by ExtraTerrestrial Intelligence cults over the decades that their other-worldly prophets are from this or that star and planet (sometimes even from a parallel universe), there is a deficit of neutral data for making any determination.

Also, it's sort of like if Siegel and Shuster had never provided a definite planetary origin (i.e., Krypton) for Superman in the canon of their comic strip, then accordingly there would be no preset creative fact for the character in that regard which future interests would have to adhere to. The ETI cults and general ETI fans locally provide differing and arbitrary provenances for "space alien" claims because such testimonies are not regulated by a universal preset of authoritative canon (as in the case of Superman).
 
C C said:
, I guess this is what the topic and the interpretation of what an "alien" / UFO is must be limited to.
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Upon reflection perhaps speculation could have been invited to beyond where but I had not considered the possible need to open speculation as from when.
Perhaps that was arbitrary but hopefully has not limited speculation.

C C said:
The ETI cults and general ETI fans locally provide differing and arbitrary provenances for "space alien" claims because such testimonies are not regulated by a universal preset of authoritative canon (as in the case of Superman).
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I have not reviewed any reports or information and I am really unaware what folk who claim experience offer in answer to my question.
I suppose my curiosity is in the first instance more to determine if these folk who believe aliens indeed visit in UFOs offer a view as to the origin say a specific star system or planet, a specific place (rather than a particulsr time) moreover if they have even given thought to a possible origin.
To distill the question further have our UFO are alien craft folk considered the limitations our current understandings impose on extended space travel.


Alex
 
Magical Realist said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_religion#Industrial_Church_of_the_New_World_Comforter
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Very interesting. I had no idea and I would have said harmless fun except for the suicides in one case.

Is this why you try and draw attention to these folk in an effort to expose their strange belief and behaviour.

Do you post to lure them out by presenting somewhat as a believer.

If you do fine effort on your part if not I again say you have the right to believe in whatever you wish.
And still nothing has come to light suggesting where our aliens live when not investigating our planet.

Alex
 
Xelasnave.1947 said:
Very interesting. I had no idea and I would have said harmless fun except for the suicides in one case.

Is this why you try and draw attention to these folk in an effort to expose their strange belief and behaviour.

Do you post to lure them out by presenting somewhat as a believer.

If you do fine effort on your part if not I again say you have the right to believe in whatever you wish.
And still nothing has come to light suggesting where our aliens live when not investigating our planet.

Alex
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Aliens live everywhere in the Universe
 
river said:
Aliens live everywhere in the Universe
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Actually no riv, not everywhere.
While I agree that ETL of different levels of advancement is far more likely to exist then not, for many reasons, as yet we do not have any conclusive evidence that shows Alien life existing: That's it at this time, sorry to say riv. :)
 
paddoboy said:
Actually no riv, not everywhere.
While I agree that ETL of different levels of advancement is far more likely to exist then not, for many reasons, as yet we do not have any conclusive evidence that shows Alien life existing: That's it at this time, sorry to say riv. :)
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Aliens are everywhere in this Universe .
 
river said:
Please supply any evidence that Aliens are not , everywhere , in the Universe .
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Now you are being silly riv and trolling again.
C'mon be a good fella...show me or point me towards the evidence that the universe is full of life.
 
river said:
Really Alex that's it ?
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Yes that's it River.
I was just trying to be kind and gently point out that wild sweeping generalizations can open one up to being forced to reconsider ones original statement and substitute something less ambitious. But of course you would no doubt understand all of that.
Alex
 
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