disgarding the bible and starting again with a book only professing good things good deeds, love. absolutely no negative and nasty stuff, and that includes the commandments, you dont need to tell someone not to kill if there whole being is exuding love.
What would make Christianity more tolerable...to you?
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M*W: Throw out the blibel. Just because a book is ancient doesn't mean that it is reasonable, believeable or right.
M*W: Throw out the blibel. Just because a book is ancient doesn't mean that it is reasonable, believeable or right.
Yes. Was there something you didn't understand?
You can believe anything you want Max, i am not in any position to tell people if their beliefs are delusional. There is no stick up my a**. However, i have spent numerous ocassions with Jewish scholars and lets just say you will have to come up with some citations.
That being said, not all Jewish people can be expected to believe the same things entirely nor do other groups.
That being said, not all Jewish people can be expected to believe the same things entirely nor do other groups.
That begs the question John..."get it right or go to hell", which group has "got it right"?
WTF?
If you don't want an answer to a question, don't ask the question:
The Wikipedia article has references. I'm not going to waste my time doing more research for someone who obviously made up their mind already.
I quoted what you said (twice). Sorry if I interpreted "most of your conservative Rabbi's" to mean "most conservative rabbis" not "most conservative and orthodox rabbis." But even if you're only concerned with the Orthodox, one of the largest Orthodox organizations,
I'm not sure what you intended by including that quote about Orthodox scientists.
I reckon there would be thousands of splinter sects without the early unification efforts...all pounding on your door!
That's the best thing that could be expected. Every Christian should be their own sect!
Actually, from the perspective of a Non-Christian, this is what Christianity looks like anyway. Millions of little sects, each of them claiming they "got it right and everyone else is more or less wrong".
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I want more Zombies and make some of them cute. Rewrite the whole last half of the Apocalypse so that there are Zombies. Lots of flesh eating Zombies.
Also, it should be clear that only Xians burn in Hell. So Xians go to heaven or Xians burn in Hell - the rest of us take another turn at the wheel of beef/karma cycle.
That'd do it
Also, it should be clear that only Xians burn in Hell. So Xians go to heaven or Xians burn in Hell - the rest of us take another turn at the wheel of beef/karma cycle.
That'd do it
That's a very good question. I would remove all assertions of the supernatural / paranormal and all instructions to indoctrinate children.
There is no point believing only part of Christianity it wont work. It's like saying 'now I need this car to get to heaven but I'm not really very fond of the crankshaft in the engine or the wheels, so I'm just going to remove them'. Do you really expect it to take you to heaven now?
Carcano
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And yet thats exactly what Christianity is...a highly selective and modified version of the Gospel teachings. A process that started in the writings of Paul.
Carcano
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Fine, but we're not talking about God...if such a being exists. We are talking about the religion and its teachings.
And yes, Paul modified the teachings of Jesus to a great extent.
For example Jesus specifies that he has come ONLY for 'the lost sheep of Israel'...for jews, and cares little for any other culture.
Paul insists that his 'new' religion is for all, jews and gentiles alike.
Paul also insists that the suffering and death of Jesus was a ritual of atonement for the sins of all mankind.
Jesus says no such thing, and makes it clear he expects to be saved...not the saviour.
"My God...why have you forsaken me?"
Orthodox or conservative, what is the difference? Show me in your link where it refutes what i have said.
"Fine, but we're not talking about God...if such a being exists. We are talking about the religion and its teachings." Christianity isn't a religion to start with. Bible is God's word, his teachings.
"And yes, Paul modified the teachings of Jesus to a great extent.
For example Jesus specifies that he has come ONLY for 'the lost sheep of Israel'...for jews, and cares little for any other culture. Paul insists that his 'new' religion is for all, jews and gentiles alike."
-That's not true, Jesus said I come first for the Jew then for the gentile. Look into the woman at the well. She wasn't Jewish and Jesus said something along the lines of Jews first, but the woman replied even the dogs get the scraps on the floor of the masters table, Jesus gave credit where credit was due for the answer and took mercy upon her. Sorry for the bad quote was never the sort of person who could memerize the bible.
"Paul also insists that the suffering and death of Jesus was a ritual of atonement for the sins of all mankind."
-Look into the ritual sacrifice in the old testament and the prophecies about Jesus being the ultimate sacrifice, you soon will see thousands of years before Paul that this teaching was around.
"Jesus says no such thing, and makes it clear he expects to be saved...not the saviour.
"My God...why have you forsaken me?""
-That's a really good job at taking something way out of context and making it say something totally different. You should be a mormon.
"And yes, Paul modified the teachings of Jesus to a great extent.
For example Jesus specifies that he has come ONLY for 'the lost sheep of Israel'...for jews, and cares little for any other culture. Paul insists that his 'new' religion is for all, jews and gentiles alike."
-That's not true, Jesus said I come first for the Jew then for the gentile. Look into the woman at the well. She wasn't Jewish and Jesus said something along the lines of Jews first, but the woman replied even the dogs get the scraps on the floor of the masters table, Jesus gave credit where credit was due for the answer and took mercy upon her. Sorry for the bad quote was never the sort of person who could memerize the bible.
"Paul also insists that the suffering and death of Jesus was a ritual of atonement for the sins of all mankind."
-Look into the ritual sacrifice in the old testament and the prophecies about Jesus being the ultimate sacrifice, you soon will see thousands of years before Paul that this teaching was around.
"Jesus says no such thing, and makes it clear he expects to be saved...not the saviour.
"My God...why have you forsaken me?""
-That's a really good job at taking something way out of context and making it say something totally different. You should be a mormon.