Here it is again. Maybe this time you'll notice it if I make it red?
Evidence that could convince me includes:
- Miraculous occurrences, especially if brought about through prayer to a specific god. If followers of a particular religion were consistently able to perform unambiguously miraculous acts or cause them to be brought about by prayer, that would be very convincing evidence. For example, if a double-blind study showed that prayer to a specific god could increase hospital patient survival rates in a statistically significant way, I would probably convert to that religion.
-If a religion had followers (or a holy book) that made specific, unambiguous prophecies about events that have not yet occurred, and those prophecies came to pass. The prophecies would have to be something that was non-obvious and that didn’t require mental gymnastics to interpret.
-A holy book that contained a lot of scientific/technical information that couldn’t have been known to the people who wrote it. That would be pretty convincing evidence that the knowledge in the book was given to its authors by a “higher power”. Again, it would have to be specific information that didn’t require mental gymnastics to interpret. It would also have to be mostly correct – I wouldn’t be impressed by an ancient book that contained a few correct pieces of information and a huge number of incorrect pieces of information, because then I would assume that the authors had simply made a large number of claims and gotten lucky on a few of them.
Thanks, this seems good, but only the first and third ones are objectively measurable, not sure about the 2nd one...
Also none of this is actual evidence of God, it's just evidence of things associated with God...so atheists will say so what if it's all true it doesn't prove that God actually exists, just that prayer and prophecies exist...
in case of xian god,
the one who believes in Jesus will "allegedly" get WHATEVER he/she wishes in prayer,
I say PROOVE it,
pray to god to give you next weeks winning lottery numbers,then send to me
If you can do that I promise to praise him every day,
Thanks this is very testable...but are you sure you would really believe if it really happened? I'm pretty sure most atheists would dismiss it as a coincidence if it really happened innumerable times...that's how atheists always explain answered prayers (and most questions), it's just nature + causeless chance....
I'm pretty sure atheists will say that this is not evidence of God but just evidence of prayer...
scorpius said:
btw what would you consider supernatural,?
imo everything that exist is NATURAL
So by your standards the supernatural cannot exist because you believe all there is the natural?
What I would consider supernatural is something outside of nature, something outside of the system, the cause of all causes, unborn, the origin of reality, etc....
scorpius said:
nope,
we are relying on our senses,which havent detected any gods whatsoever yet.
That's not true, why do you enjoy lying to yourself? None of the examples you gave is evidence of God, yet you haven't detected any evidence of gods (of which there cannot be, because you cannot give an example of what evidence of God is, only evidence of prayer, miracles, etc...)
..and you ignored them and pretended that no one answered. You are being dishonest.
I'm not being dishonest at all, the majority of all the replies were just atheists promoting the same type of atheistic propaganda...
shaman_ said:
You were given examples but ignored them. You also wont even accept anything supernatural as evidence for god. You are the one denying possible evidence.
I didn't really ignore them, but none of it is actually evidence of God, just evidence of miracles, prayer, etc...
shaman_ said:
But would you not believe in it until there was some evidence? (like an atheist)
No, UNLIKE the foolish atheist (who for some reason thinks themselves to be smart), if something is unverifiable (meaning there is no way to know if it's true or false), I would just say it's unknown if it's true or false...the atheist on the other hand says "Oh no, it just can't be true, everyone else is just another delusional fool, except for me"
shaman_ said:
No, many athiests think that it should be possible to prove that god/gods exists. They are atheists however because there is no evidence yet. You have chosen to accept anything and everything as evidence to confirm your belief.
No they don't, if they really think that it should be possible that god/gods exist, then they could easily give innumerable examples of evidence of God, but they can't, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, this is something hard to atheists to understand...
shaman_ said:
Actually I didn't say that but comprehension is clearly not your strong point. I was trying to make a point but, as usual, you chose not to see it.
Yes you did, you said look in the mirror, implying that I thought Ra didn't exist because there is no evidence...
shaman_ said:
So could you suggest what evidence you would accept for the existence of Ra, Quetzalcoatl and Thor? It can't be supernatural.
Yeah, I can give examples of evidence, but first I would have look up the attributes of Ra, Quetzalcoatl, etc...
Also, if I couldn't give examples of evidence, I would then they say that it's unverifiable, and if it's unverifiable (like the many-worlds interpretation), I would just say it's unknown whether Ra or Thor actually exist...you atheists on the other hand (being fools) jump to conclusion of unverifiability = false, being lovers of irrationality, abandoning reason and logic...
shaman_ said:
So you think that every religion is real?
You don't have a problem with every religion have different creation myths. Don't say that they are all similar because some of them are very different. All these gods working away, looking down on us and they don't get in each other's way?
No, I never said that...but most of them are real similar, the things Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, and Lao Tzu say are very very similar...
The creation myths are actually very similar...
