What to HATE, What NOT to TOLERATE & Islam.

Bells said:
No the world would be more peaceful if there were less attitudes such as yours... you know, the fanatical attitude of hatred towards others.. the obsession of hating other religions... the wanting to destroy other religions or religious beliefs. You're like the Christian missionaries who go forth and plunder and destroy...
Its actually quite the opposite dear bells. The world would be much more safer and peaceful if everybody would just vent their anger, hatred and frustration through harmless dialog the way DoctorNO does. Eh? So long as the hatred is focused only on ideas and not on actual people. Right? C’mon bells say I am right on this one. :D


Bells said:
“ Bells, don’t you remember your many allegations that I refuted? Like the owning of women, the hatred of missionaries, etc.? Those are what I was referring to. ”
You refuted? You're sounding like PM. And no you haven't refuted anything.
Yeah right. :bugeye: Even after the fact that I repulsed each and every point of yours. And each round your reply for me gets shorter and shorter and shorter. :D

Doesn’t that smell like sweet victories for your humble servant DoctorNO?

Bells said:
You forget that the Bible also talks about the husband owning the wife.
Oh bells didn’t I tell you that you were only 50% correct on that? Didn’t I show you that the other 50% tells that the WIVES OWN THEIR HUSBANDS???

Bells oh bells oh bells. C’mon girl SHAPE UP!

Bells said:
As for the hatred of missionaries.. hell even I hate them.. my own mother can't stand them and she's a strict Catholic... you should see her bolt and close the doors when she sees the Jehovah's Witnesses walking down the street or when she sees other Christians door knocking... it's quite amusing.. Everyone hates missionaries. They destroy native cultures and native religions. You've refuted nothing.
Bells you were claiming that missionaries were teaching pagans that god hate them. Something you were never able to back up. Still I bothered refuting that with bible verses.

Bells my dear. You are running us around in circles.
 
OK I am not the original writer of this I found it on a news group and haven't been able to dig it up again since I am still looking though and will post the link as soon as I find it. It is an exhaustive list over why islam is disgusting with references drawn from the "noble" (chuckle) quran. Can a muslim go over the points in this and list why the quran is wrong or what is being misinterpreted here? much appreciated

this is LONG:

Thirteen reasons why Islam is a disgusting religion.

Many of you are probably wondering why Muslims behave as they do. You
probably think that the kind of people that blew up the trade center are
extremists that are carrying their religion much further than was ever
intended. But this is not the case. Terrorists don't create themselves
in a vacuum. The terrorists stand on the shoulders of the militants;
the militants stand on the shoulders of the ordinary Muslims and they
all stand on their religious texts. The answer to why Muslims behave as
they do can be found in the Quran and well as in the texts that describe
the life and sayings of their prophet Mohammed - the Hadith. And while
I have limited myself to examples from Islam's own texts, it should also
be understood that the violence that has been done by Muslims to the US
on this day is the kind of violence that has been endured by much of the
rest of the world every day. Note, this is a long piece, so for those
of you who are impatient, reasons 2,3 and 4 are the most relevant to
today's events.


***** 1. Islam is disgusting because it is divisive.

The central function of the Quran is to split mankind into two distinct
catagories - the believers and the unbelievers. Then playing upon this
distinction it uses the psychological ploy of constantly threatening the
unbeliever with hell and offering to reward the obedient believer with
heaven. This same theme, with very little variation is repeated several
hundred times within the Quran. In addition to this, the constantly
destructive and hateful language that is directed at the unbeliever can
only serve to ever increase the hatred of the Muslim for the unbeliever.
From the constant process of brain washing that we see in the Quran, it
is easy to see why Muslims have always treated non Muslims as sub human
and why Islam has always had bloody borders.

Here is a tiny fraction of the examples:

Quran:
[4.56] (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall
make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We
will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement;
surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.
[4.57] And (as for) those who believe and do good deeds, We will make
them enter gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them for ever;
they shall have therein virgins, and We shall make them enter a dense
shade.

[57.19] And (as for) those who believe in Allah and His apostles, these
it is that are the truthful and the faithful ones in the sight of their
Lord: they shall have their reward and their light, and (as for) those
who disbelieve and reject Our communications, these are the inmates of
the hell.

[48.6] And (that) He may punish the hypocritical men and the
hypocritical women, and the polytheistic men and the polytheistic women,
the entertainers of evil thoughts about Allah. On them is the evil turn,
and Allah is wroth with them and has cursed them and prepared hell for
them, and evil is the resort.

[7.179] And certainly We have created for hell many of the jinn and the
men; they have hearts with which they do not understand, and they have
eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do
not hear; they are as cattle, nay, they are in worse errors; these are
the heedless ones.

[8.37] That Allah might separate the impure from the good, and put the
impure, some of it upon the other, and pile it up together, then cast it
into hell; these it is that are the losers.

[9.73] O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites
and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the
destination.

[98.6] Surely those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book
and the polytheists shall be in the fire of hell, abiding therein; they
are the worst of men.

[3.12] Say to those who disbelieve: You shall be vanquished, and driven
together to hell; and evil is the resting-place.

[35.34] And (as for) those who disbelieve, for them is the fire of hell;
it shall not be finished with them entirely so that they should die, nor
shall the chastisement thereof be lightened to them: even thus do We
retribute every ungrateful one.


******** 2.Islam is disgusting because it is imperialistic.

Mohammed's purpose in inventing Islam was to constantly increase his
power. All of his actions were designed to grow Islam. And of course,
anyone who became a Muslim fell under his control. The imperialistic
objectives of Islam to conquer and control the entire world are clearly
spelled out in these examples.

Quran:
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day,
nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor
follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book,
until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in
a state of subjection.

[8.39] And fight with them until there is no more persecution and ***
religion should be only for Allah;*** but if they desist, then surely
Allah sees what they do.

Sahih Muslim
Book 019, Number 4366:
It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger
of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and
Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

Sahih Muslim
The Book of Faith (Kitab Al-Iman)
Book 001, Number 0033:
It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the
Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people
till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the
messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they
do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf
except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 4, Book 53, Number 392:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go
to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to
them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the
earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from
this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted
to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah
and His Apostle."

Here is evidence that Mohammed wanted his men to use their women as baby
machines so that his power would increase.

Abu Dawud
Book 11, Number 2045:
Narrated Ma'qil ibn Yasar:
A man came to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: I have found a
woman of rank and beauty, but she does not give birth to children.
Should I marry her? He said: No. He came again to him, but he prohibited
him. He came to him third time, and he (the Prophet) said: Marry women
who are loving and very prolific, for I shall outnumber the peoples by
you.


******* 3. Islam is disgusting because it is bigoted.

Religious bigotry has always been a curse to mankind, and Islam's
bigotry against other religions is clear from these verses.

Quran:
[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for
friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes
them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not
guide the unjust people.

[5.82] Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for
those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and
you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe
(to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are
priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.

[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians
say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their
mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may
Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

[4.160] Wherefore for the iniquity of those who are Jews did We disallow
to them the good things which had been made lawful for them and for
their hindering many (people) from Allah's way.

[5.18] And the Jews and the Christians say: We are the sons of Allah and
His beloved ones. Say: Why does He then chastise you for your faults?


******* 4. Islam is disgusting because it is bloodthirsty and genocidal.

Mohammed himself led at least 19 military expeditions. The majority of
these were offensive in nature. Often they served little purpose but to
bring Mohammed and his followers slaves and booty. At one time Arabia
was almost 40% Jewish. Mohammed annihilated the majority of them and
subjected the rest to a humilitating second class citizen status. His
followers murders tens of millions of Persians, Hindus, Turks, Armenian,
Kurds, Europeans, etc. etc. etc. The following examples from the Islamic
religious texts give the source of the Muslim attitudes.

Quran:
[9:5] But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the
Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in
wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and
establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the
way for them: for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near
to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with
those who guard (against evil).

[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this
world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah,
then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty
reward.

[4:95] Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no
hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of God with their
goods and their persons. God hath granted a grade higher to those who
strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at
home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath God promised good: But those who strive
and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a
special reward,-

[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore
make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those
who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every
fingertip of them.

[8.57] Therefore if you overtake them in fighting, then scatter by
(making an example of) them those who are in their rear, that they may
be mindful.

[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their
property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in
Allah's way, so they slay and are slain; a promise which is binding on
Him in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Quran; and who is more faithful
to his covenant than Allah? Rejoice therefore in the pledge which you
have made; and that is the mighty achievement.

[47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the
necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and
afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom
(themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah
had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but
that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who
are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to
perish.

[48.16] Say to those of the dwellers of the desert who were left behind:
You shall soon be invited (to fight) against a people possessing mighty
prowess; you will fight against them until they submit; then if you
obey, Allah will grant you a good reward; and if you turn back as you
turned back before, He will punish you with a painful punishment.

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 5, Book 59, Number 448:
Narrated 'Aisha:
Sad was wounded on the day of Khandaq (i.e. Trench) when a man from
Quraish, called Hibban bin Al-'Araqa hit him (with an arrow). The man
was Hibban bin Qais from (the tribe of) Bani Mais bin 'Amir bin Lu'ai
who shot an arrow at Sad's medial arm vein (or main artery of the arm).
The Prophet pitched a tent (for Sad) in the Mosque so that he might be
near to the Prophet to visit. When the Prophet returned from the
(battle) of Al-Khandaq (i.e.Trench) and laid down his arms and took a
bath Gabriel came to him while he (i.e. Gabriel) was shaking the dust
off his head, and said, "You have laid down the arms?" By Allah, I have
not laid them down. Go out to them (to attack them)." The Prophet said,
"Where?" Gabriel pointed towards Bani Quraiza. So Allah's Apostle went
to them (i.e. Banu Quraiza) (i.e. besieged them). They then surrendered
to the Prophet's judgment but he directed them to Sad to give his
verdict concerning them. Sad said, "I give my judgment that their
warriors should be killed, their women and children should be taken as
captives, and their properties distributed."

***** 5. Islam is disgusting because it supports slavery.

Reading the Quran one can see an extremely casual attitude to the idea
of having slaves. Owning slaves is assumed to be a fact of life. There
is never any injunction within either the Quran or the Hadith against
doing so. Mohammed set the example by owning twenty eight slaves of his
own. Slavery continued within the Muslim world until the European
colonialists forced them to stop. But even today, slavery is common in
such Islamic states as Mauritania and Sudan. Muslims claim that the
Islamic texts were designed to do away with slavery, but this is purely
a rationalization. After thirteen hundred years of practicing slavery,
no Muslims ever showed any sign or desire to give it up.

For those of you who are unclear about Quranic terminology, "those whom
your right hand possesses" means slaves.

Quran:
[16.71]: And Allah has made some of you excel others in the means of
subsistence, so those who are made to excel do not give away their
sustenance to those whom their right hands possess so that they should
be equal therein; is it then the favor of Allah which they deny?

[39.29]: Allah sets forth an example: There is a slave in whom are
(several) partners differing with one another, and there is another
slave wholly owned by one man. Are the two alike in condition? (All)
praise is due to Allah. Nay! most of them do not know.

[24.32]: And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit
among your male slaves and your female slaves; if they are needy, Allah
will make them free from want out of His grace; and Allah is
Ample-giving, Knowing.

[16.75]: Allah sets forth a parable: (consider) a slave, the property of
another, (who) has no power over anything, and one whom We have granted
from Ourselves a goodly sustenance so he spends from it secretly and
openly; are the two alike? (All) praise is due to Allah!


***** 6. Islam is disgusting because it approves of the rape of slave
girls.

Incredible though it may seem, Islam is a religion which approves of the
rape of innocent women who are captured in battle. Even if those women
have living husbands. Note: "whom their right hands posses" means
slaves.

Quran:
[23.1-6] Successful indeed are the believers, Who are humble in their
prayers, And who keep aloof from what is vain, And who are givers of
poor-rate, And who guard their private parts, Except before their mates
or those whom their right hands possess, for they surely are not
blameable.

Quran:
[70:29] And those who guard their chastity,
[70:30] Except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right
hands possess,- for (then) they are not to be blamed,


Sahih Muslim
Book 008, Number 3383:
Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported that a man came to Allah's
Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: I have a slave-girl who is
our servant and she carries water for us and I have intercourse with
her, but I do not want her to conceive. He said: Practise 'azl, if you
so like, but what is decreed for her will come to her. The person stayed
back (for some time) and then came and said: The girl has become
pregnant, whereupon he said: I told you what was decreed for her would
come to her.


Sahih Muslim
Book 008, Number 3432:
Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the
Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army
to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome
them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may
peace be upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with
captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah,
Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except
those whom your right hands possess
(iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came
to an end).


***** 7. Islam is disgusting because it considers women to be stupid.

These Hadith are self explanitory when it comes to showing Mohammed's
regard for the intelligence of women.

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 3, Book 48, Number 826:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of
a man?" The women said, "Yes." He said, "This is because of the
deficiency of a woman's mind."

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 2, Book 24, Number 541:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri
." Then he went towards the women and said. "O women! Give alms, for I
have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-Fire were you
(women)." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is the reason for
it?" He replied, "O women! You curse frequently, and are ungrateful to
your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and
religion than you..

******** 8. Islam is disgusting because it denies women equal rights and
approves of beating them.

You will never see Muslims tap dance and rationalize any more than they
do to justify the following verse. But the bottom line is that the
inferiority of women is clearly defined in this verse.

Quran:
[4:34] Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has
preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have
expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient,
guarding the secret for God's guarding. And those you fear may be
rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If
they then obey you, look not for any way against them; God is All-high,
All-great.

Men may marry four women. Women may marry one man.

Quran:
[4:3] If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the
orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye
fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only
one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more
suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

[4:15] If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of
four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they
testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or God ordain
for them some (other) way.

Men inherit twice as much as women.

Quran:
[4:11] God (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance):
to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters,
two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one,
her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to
each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are
the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased Left brothers
(or sisters) the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases ('s)
after the payment of legacies and debts. Ye know not whether your
parents or your children are nearest to you in benefit. These are
settled portions ordained by God; and God is All-knowing, Al- wise.


Women don't have the soundness of mind to be witnesses, so it takes two
women witnesses to equal one man.

Quran:
[2.282] O you who believe! when you deal with each other in contracting
a debt for a fixed time, then write it down; and let a scribe write it
down between you with fairness; and the scribe should not refuse to
write as Allah has taught him, so he should write; and let him who owes
the debt dictate, and he should be careful of (his duty to) Allah, his
Lord, and not diminish anything from it; but if he who owes the debt is
unsound in understanding, or weak, or (if) he is not able to dictate
himself, let his guardian dictate with fairness; and call in to witness
from among your men two witnesses; but if there are not two men, then
one man and two women from among those whom you choose to be witnesses,
so that if one of the two errs, the second of the two may remind the
other; and the witnesses should not refuse when they are summoned; and
be not averse to writing it (whether it is) small or large, with the
time of its falling due; .

A man is allowed to beat his wife for any reason he likes.

Abu Dawud
Book 11, Number 2142:
Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: A man will not be asked as to why
he beat his wife.

***** 9. Islam is disgusting because it considers women as being dirty
and irredeemably corrupt.

Women are polluted during menstruation.

Quran:
[2:222] They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: They are a hurt
and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not
approach them until they are clean. But when they have purified
themselves, ye may approach them in any manner , time, or place ordained
for you by God. For God loves those who turn to Him constantly and He
loves those who keep themselves pure and clean.

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 30:
Narrated Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "Evil omen is in the women, the house and the
horse.'

Sahih Muslim
Book 008, Number 3467:
Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported: Woman has been created
from a rib and will in no way be straightened for you; so if you wish to
benefit by her, benefit by her while crookedness remains in her. And if
you attempt to straighten her, you will break her, and breaking her is
divorcing her.

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 33:
Narrated Usama bin Zaid:
The Prophet said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful
to men than women."

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 126:
Narrated Imran:
The Prophet said, "I looked at Paradise and saw that the majority of its
residents were the poor; and I looked at the (Hell) Fire and saw that
the majority of its residents were women."


***** 10. Islam is disgusting because it equates women to animals.

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 1, Book 9, Number 490:
Narrated 'Aisha:
The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said,
"Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in
front of the praying people)." I said, "You have made us (i.e. women)
dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between
him and the Qibla Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip
away. for I disliked to face him."

Abu Dawud
Book 11, Number 2155:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If one of you marries a woman or
buys a slave, he should say: "O Allah, I ask Thee for the good in her,
and in the disposition Thou hast given her; I take refuge in Thee from
the evil in her, and in the disposition Thou hast given her." When he
buys a camel, he should take hold of the top of its hump and say the
same kind of thing.


***** 11. Islam is disgusting because it approves of old men having sex
with children.

Because Mohammed married a 6 year old girl, and had sex with her when
she was 9, the Muslim world has had a standard of child marriage ever
since. This has brought about untold mental and occasionally physical
suffering upon these poor girls for 1400 years. Even today, one
occasionally sees a twenty year old grandmother in Islamic societies.
Mohammed was 53 at the time that he had sex with the 9 year old Aisha.

Here are the Hadith which document Mohammed's transgressions.

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 17:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
When I got married, Allah's Apostle said to me, "What type of lady have
you married?" I replied, "I have married a matron' He said, "Why, don't
you have a liking for the virgins and for fondling them?" Jabir also
said: Allah's Apostle said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that
you might play with her and she with you?'

Sahih Muslim
Book 008, Number 3309:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger (may
peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was
admitted to his house at the age of nine. She further said: We went to
Medina and I had an attack of fever for a month, and my hair had come
down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my mother) came to me and I was at that
time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly and I went
to her and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She took hold of my
hand and took me to the door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as if I was
gasping), until the agitation of my heart was over. She took me to a
house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar. They all blessed me
and wished me good luck and said: May you have share in good. She (my
mother) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and embellished me and
nothing frightened me. Allah's Messenger (, may peace be upon him) came
there in the morning, and I was entrusted to him.

Sahih Muslim
Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace
be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to
his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Muslim
Book 008, Number 3311:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may
peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was
taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with
her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.


Sahih Bukhari
Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234:
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to
Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got
ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother,
Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl
friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted
to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of
the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright,
she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took
me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said,
"Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted
me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's
Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him,
and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151:
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my
girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to
enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet
would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls
and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that
time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.)
(Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64:
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he
consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she
remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88:
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six
years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years
old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

Apparently Mohammed waited until the day after Aisha's first
menstruation, and then had sex with her immediately in the morning of
the day when she was brought to him.

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 90:
Narrated Aisha:
When the Prophet married me, my mother came to me and made me enter the
house (of the Prophet) and nothing surprised me but the coming of
Allah's Apostle to me in the forenoon.


***** 12. Islam is disgusting because it is full of superstition and
dogma.

I have not gone into many of the primitive Islamic superstitions in this
section, such as the invisible creatures called the jinn. But here are a
few other examples.

From Bukhari
Vol 4, #540 - Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle ordered that
the dogs should be killed.

From the Hadith of Abu Dawud -
#2839 - Abd Allah B. Mughaffal reported the apostle of Allah as saying:
Were dogs not a species of creature I should command that they all be
killed; but kill every pure black one.

From Sahih Muslim
#3813 - Abu Zubair heard Jabir Abdullah saying: Allah's messenger
ordered us to kill dogs and we carried out this order so much so that we
also killed the dog roaming with a women from the desert. Then Allah's
apostle forbade their killing. He said: "It is your duty to kill the
jet-black (dog) having two spots (on the eyes) for it is a devil.

Sahih Bukhari
Vol 7, #843
Narrated Salim's father: "Once Gabriel promised to visit the Prophet but
he delayed and the Prophet got worried about that. At last he came out
and found Gabriel and complained to him of his grief (for his delay).
Gabriel said to him, "We do not enter a place in which there is a
picture or a dog.""

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 234:
Narrated Abu Qilaba:
Anas said, "Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its
climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd
of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So
they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the
shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached
the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and
they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their
hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with
heated pieces of iron, They were put in 'Al-Harra' and when they asked
for water, no water was given to them." Abu Qilaba said, "Those people
committed theft and murder became infidels after embracing Islam and
fought against Allah and His
Apostle ."

**** 13. Islam is disgusting because it murders apostates.

If a person is born into Islam or accepts Islam he is never allowed to
change his mind, not matter how genuine his reasons may be. The penalty
for leaving Islam for anyone living in a country that is under Islamic
law is death. This standard is implied in the Quran, it is spelled out
in the Hadith, and it is codefied in the Islamic Sharia law.

[3.85] And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be
accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.
[3.86] How shall Allah guide a people who disbelieved after their
believing and (after) they had borne witness that the Apostle was true
and clear arguments had come to them; and Allah does not guide the
unjust people.[3.87] (As for) these, their reward is that upon them is
the curse of Allah and the angels and of men, all together.

[9.73] O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites
and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the
destination. [9.74] They swear by Allah that they did not speak, and
certainly they did speak, the word of unbelief, and disbelieved after
their Islam, and they had determined upon what they have not been able
to effect, and they did not find fault except because Allah and His
Apostle enriched them out of His grace; therefore if they repent, it
will be good for them; and if they turn back, Allah will chastise them
with a painful chastisement in this world and the hereafter, and they
shall not have in the land any guardian or a helper.

Bukhari,
Volume 9, #17
"Narrated Abdullah:
Allah's Messenger said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none
has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger,
cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment)
for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and
the one who reverts from Islam (Apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

Bukhari
Volume 9, #57
Narrated Ikrima,
"Some atheists were brought to Ali and he burnt them. The news of this
event, reached Ibn Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would
not have burnt them, as Allah's messenger forbade it, saying, "Do not
punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire)." I would have killed them
according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, "Whoever changed his
Islamic
religion, then kill him."

Bukhari
Volume 9, #58
Narrated Abu Bruda,
"Abu Musa said.....Behold there was a fettered man beside Abu Musa.
Muadh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Musa said, "He was a Jew and
became a Muslim and hen reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Musa
requested Muadh to sit down but Muadh said, "I will not sit down till he
has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and his messenger," and
repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he
was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers .....

Bukhari
Volume 9, Book 84, Number 64:
Narrated 'Ali:
Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah's Apostle, by Allah, I would
rather fall down from the sky than ascribe a false statement to him, but
if I tell you something between me and you (not a Hadith) then it was
indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "During the last days there will appear
some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith
will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will
go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So,
where-ever you find them, kill them, for who-ever kills them shall have
reward on the Day
of Resurrection."
 
DoctorNO said:
Its actually quite the opposite dear bells. The world would be much more safer and peaceful if everybody would just vent their anger, hatred and frustration through harmless dialog the way DoctorNO does. Eh? So long as the hatred is focused only on ideas and not on actual people. Right? C’mon bells say I am right on this one. :D
Your dialogue is hardly harmless and it is because of such manner of dialogue that we see the world in the state it is today. By focusing your hatred towards the ideas, you are also pointing that little hatred of yours towards all the people who believe in Allah and his ideas. You just don't get it, so forget it.

Oh, and you're not right.. :)

Yeah right. Even after the fact that I repulsed each and every point of yours. And each round your reply for me gets shorter and shorter and shorter.
You haven't repulsed my points with your replies. However your posts on here have repulsed me. There's a big difference. And my replies get shorter and shorter because I am frankly kind of sick of replying... repeating the same thing over and over again... to someone who doesn't get it over and over again.

Doesn’t that smell like sweet victories for your humble servant DoctorNO?
There's no victory in this NO. Hatred never wins. It only breeds more hatred. Call it a vicious circle.

Bells you were claiming that missionaries were teaching pagans that god hate them. Something you were never able to back up. Still I bothered refuting that with bible verses.
One would assume that when a missionary tells a pagan that are Satan and will go to hell and that the only way to feel Gods love is to convert would qualify.

Bells my dear. You are running us around in circles.
Am I really? How can you tell which direction I'm running seeing that your head appears to be buried in a place where the sun never shines?
 
Bells said:
You haven't repulsed my points with your replies.
Then why cant you reply to them? I made a lot of strong points against each of yours. And you were not able to say anything back to most of them. Eh?

Bells said:
I am frankly kind of sick of replying... repeating the same thing over and over again... to someone who doesn't get it over and over again.
You are the one who brings us in circles. If you would only reply direclty to each one of my counter points. Specifying whether or not you concede. But instead you play blind, giving me the impression you have conceded, and then days later replay those silly arguments. You are only being evasive. You are being blind. You are decieving yourself. And you are hateful towards me just because you cant say anything to the things Ive said.
 
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DoctorNO, I have replied to you. You just refuse to read what I've been replying. You don't take it into consideration because you disagree with what I've said. I'm not hateful towards you. I just dislike your attitude in here sometimes, as I'm sure many dislike my attitude in here sometimes. You want me to join the hate Islam clan? Sorry, I wont do that. I disagree with a lot of the belief structures in every religion that exists. Doesn't mean that I hate them. You and many others on here come out with stuff that is so hateful towards the beliefs of others that you end up being insulting. We are all guilty of this. Only difference is that most of us don't keep doing it with glee.

This isn't a competition to see who can win. If I wanted that, I'd play online video games. You are the one treating this as a competition.

You want to win? Then ok, I declare you the winner of whatever game it is that you're playing.
 
Bells said:
DoctorNO, I have replied to you.
But you do not reply to each of my killer points which destroyed your silly arguments.

• Like what is your reply when I told you the fact that the bible say that wives own their husbands?
• Like what is your reply when I told you how much a hater you are when said you hate Jehovah’s witnesses?
• Like what is your reply when I told you that your examples are mere isolated cases?
• Etc etc etc

No you did not reply to them and many others like them. You just shut your eyes, cover your ears, and declare that you have not been refuted. My dear that’s what you call CLOSED-MINDEDNESS.

Bells said:
You just refuse to read what I've been replying.
Don’t be a jerk. As I recall there was only 1 post I missed. The rest I refuted you POINT BY POINT. That means ive been reading all your arguments, whether relevant or irrelevant.

Bells said:
You don't take it into consideration because you disagree with what I've said.
Speak for yourself. As for me my valid reasons for rejecting your assertions are they are either based on rare & isolated cases or based on ignorance of the Christian beliefs.


Bells said:
I'm not hateful towards you.
Really? :bugeye: After baselessly calling me a racist? After saying you are repulsed by me? After calling me a hater right after proving that you are more of a hater than I am? Anyway no hard feelings here. Maybe you really do hate me sometimes. But you are still nice most of the times. And saying that you don’t hate me proves that you are trying hard not to hate me, eh? :)

Bells said:
You want me to join the hate Islam clan? Sorry, I wont do that.
Its totally up to you. The only thing I desire from you is for you to admit your mistakes. If you could not answer me point by point then at least be good enough & fair enough not resurrect your arguments that these ignored points have refuted.

Bells said:
I disagree with a lot of the belief structures in every religion that exists. Doesn't mean that I hate them. You and many others on here come out with stuff that is so hateful towards the beliefs of others that you end up being insulting. We are all guilty of this. Only difference is that most of us don't keep doing it with glee.
Next week I would explain why my disagreements crossed the line towards hate. Then perhaps youll understand why I do these things. I would title my forthcoming thread “Why I hate Islam”. Stay tuned.

And by the way, I don’t surf the web on weekends or weeknights. For that is the time I totally devote to my loved ones.

Bells said:
This isn't a competition to see who can win. If I wanted that, I'd play online video games. You are the one treating this as a competition.

You want to win? Then ok, I declare you the winner of whatever game it is that you're playing.

This isn’t a game. But debates are not things you enter in order to lose. You enter debates in order to persuade either your opponent or the audience.

I don’t play games on serious threads.
 
I missed this one...

Bells said:
One would assume that when a missionary tells a pagan that are Satan and will go to hell and that the only way to feel Gods love is to convert would qualify.

Your ASSUMPTION was based on a biased hindu website that doesnt offer any authoritative evidences for generalizing that it was the PARENTS who call their pagan children "satan". That could be the rarest of the isolated cases for all you know.
 
Oh this is getting tedious.

DoctorNO, I'll go one better for you. I retract everything I've ever replied to you. Everything I've ever replied to you, I now declare to be wrong and you are right. Ignore all my replies and all the facts and articles I've posted. There, you've won your little debate.

This discussion with me is now therefore closed. Take a bow. Pat yourself on the back. You're a winner!

Feel better now?
 
Path ...

At the degree you're asking, you might be better off going to a local mosque and asking someone about those points.

Otherwise, this discussion could be a rather slow and confusing three or four years of your life.

At any rate, Path, the original link is here. (Takes about two seconds on Google: What you do is copy to your clipboard any seemingly-unique sentence from the post, feed it into Google inside quotation marks, for instance, "Islam is disgusting because it is full of superstition and dogma".)
 
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