there is no evidence either way..
What is your belief regarding the existence of "God"?
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there is no evidence either way..
Right, and no reason the think there may be something else...
EDIT: Actually that's not right, there is plenty of evidence that when something dies, it's dead.
only the body..
I'll grant you that. It was the dood that looks like Bono who was saying belief affected the afterlife... (I'm still learning who the players are around here.)
As for the spiritual experience, I've always wanted one of those... But the closest I ever get is when I hear David Gilmour's guitar solo in Time. (Almost 40 years and it still sends shivers down my spine.)
i do think that what you are willing to be open to, or what you believe, does have an effect on your destiny. to what degree (especially in the afterlife), i can't be sure of.
some of my spiritual experiences have had to do with music too. i've heard others testify to that as well.
Do you have evidence of some part of us that exists outside of the body? I'm all ears.
Which leads me to assume that it's just a chemical reaction in our brain. Endorphines (or some neuro-transmitter) gets released and we feel good.
They gave me morphine when I went to the emergency room for a kidney stone... It felt really good too.
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same argument..no proof of either..
And, once again, no reason to think there is anything that exists apart from the physical body.
I have no proof that there isn't a teapot orbiting Saturn, but I have no reason to think there might be either.
all your responses indicate denial. you contradict your own professed beliefs many times too. one obvious example is the 'love of god and fellow man'. obviously, that is not true for everyone so either god or the laws of nature are faulty or people are not following these so-called advice to best deal with the universe.
if is obvious that if something is in opposition to you, then you have to deal with it. so it's ludicrous for you to even state that somehow anyone admitting they dislike or disapprove of something is not understandable. christians have a problem with the devil and isn't the devil part of god's creation according to your christian beliefs? obviously christians also are not saying everything is hunky dory with their god's creation.
besides what is so crazy is the idea that a creator does not care what we think but we are supposed to behave in a way that brings peace and prosperity etc for 'god'. for it's posterity? realistically, it is for us. so the truth is what we think is important to us, god or not. all actions and thoughts are for us.
do you not understand that your logic is full of denial and evasive here?
this was your first statement. it is absurd for anyone to expect to care about a 'god' as an entity and to love it if it does not care what you think. if something does not care what you think, then there is no personal reason to give a crap about it either.
but we have to deal with life as it is. that means you may like or dislike and agree with and disagree with any aspect even though you deal with it. some people dislike their job but they have to deal with it. some people don't like the world. some people don't particularly like the universe either but here we are.
so you absurdly expect people to deny their feelings and observations and go 'oh yeah, it's fine with me and i like it all' because 'god' is the creator. it doesn't make any logical sense. if it didn't want me to have an opinion, it shouldn't have given us the capability to have one.
technically, why your concept of god or the universe is contradictory to your professed moral beliefs is because you put the responsibility on this god for the entire creation of the universe and everything in it.
even not all theists actually believe this, that is why they separate what is the devil from god just as people pick out what they value and what they do not. they distinguish. it would be dishonest of them to not since people do not value it all or even the structure of nature. for instance, many people view life as a common struggle that we all share against the evil that exists in ourselves and in others as well as inherent in nature. it is something that has to be dealt with, not necessarily that is liked. in that vein, it is more logical.
but if you claim that god is responsible for all of it and are surprised by any criticism, that doesn't make much sense.
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this comes down to the argument, if there isn't then no big..if there is then what?
i think a better argument would be, we have no proof there is life on planet gliese 581,
i'm sure it did feel good.
the music didn't cause what happened to me to happen, but it was a part of it, as it was a form of expression, that helped explain what happened.
birch..
i understand some of the arguments against religion and god..
i have only lightly followed your discussion here, but i still need to ask..
are you stereotyping?
do you argue with what he is actually saying or are you adding your perception of what a christian should be like to your argument with solus?
too many times here i have seen the great debate and both sides tend to stereotype the other..they tend to throw in terms like "you beleive" when it hasn't been stated by the other party that they believe that..
yes,popular indoctrination does state that a christian has to be 'this way', but that does not mean that all Christians 'are' that way..
i tend to be a realist.i do not believe in perfection, indoctrination says we have to be perfect..i think that is an unrealistic expectation and contrary to what the truth is..
i understand some of the arguments against religion and god..
i have only lightly followed your discussion here, but i still need to ask..
are you stereotyping?
do you argue with what he is actually saying or are you adding your perception of what a christian should be like to your argument with solus?
too many times here i have seen the great debate and both sides tend to stereotype the other..they tend to throw in terms like "you beleive" when it hasn't been stated by the other party that they believe that..
yes,popular indoctrination does state that a christian has to be 'this way', but that does not mean that all Christians 'are' that way..
i tend to be a realist.i do not believe in perfection, indoctrination says we have to be perfect..i think that is an unrealistic expectation and contrary to what the truth is..
Let me see if I have this right... People believe in a god that there is no proof of so that they can obtain a good spot in an afterlife that there is no evidence of.
Let me know how that works out for ya.
lol..k..i'll come back and haunt you till you believe..keep an eye in the tree's for a ghost squirrel..
but seriously..the way i understand it, we die..then when everyone is dead and the end times is complete, it is then that we get resurrected to be either sent to heaven or hell..so according to this, we would both discover the truth at the same time..
i'm not trying to convince you of anything..you are allowed to believe or not believe (i know some ppl who don't believe and i think they have a better chance to get into heaven than some believers)
lol..this doesn't apply to context of the posts i've made in this thread.
what you are referring to is from the assertion i made regarding god not necessarily agreed to or loved by all or even considered something worthy of worship, depending on how it's defined. for instance, most theists view "god" as being "good" whereas i was postulating that it may not be as some believe or assume. i just found that strange most don't even consider that thought considering the history of the world and how much hardship and evil there is, and good or 'innocence' is often exploited. none of that is intolerance, it's called a speculation.
of course, there are just as many myriad interpretations people have come up with to explain this from religious to philosophical. there is no denying that.
i prefer to think of him as good..but then again that depends on what you consider good..
is it good to discipline your child? would he think you evil for it?
i think its a maturity thing..
what a rediculous rebuttal. are you trying to fool anyone here into believing that the only evil or destruction is from disciplining like your child or lack of it? what is this candy coated bs?
so all the tortures, murders, rapes, famine, disease
and hell on earth is all about discipline?? you just friggin ignored that i pointed out that even nature is inherently predatorial, you slyly evaded that issue. what is so great or good about a god that would (if it did and if a god exists) create such a system. hmm? that's rhetorical as it wouldn't be. do you know anything about nature? lifeforms fight and kill eachother to stay alive. this is the universe we live in and the point was that "if" a god purposely created this for beings to have to resort to this for his amusement or just because it decided so, that still makes him an asshole in many people's interpretation. now, pay attention; the distinction depends on how god is defined. what many others interpret is the awareness that we are all here in the same boat having to deal with this and the recognition that we are all trying to survive is the aspect that is of 'god' or of 'love'. then, depending on how nature is interpreted by the individual, god could represent in some way the enemy but not necessarily the entire enemy or what is perceived or identified as god is something that is specific, even if people broadly claim 'god' without explanation. so, that is why some say god is just 'love', for instance.
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um excuse me???
you asked. I answered..im not trying to convince you or anyone of anything,if you have read most of my posts, you would see that i believe you have a right to your beliefs..
and you are reading WAY too much into what i am saying..
to this i would answer..why do you hate god?
so much from so little..makes me wonder..
Which God don't I believe in
I am confused if I am an atheist is it that I don't believe in: Allah, Geb, Buddha, Hari, Jehova, Ra the sun God, Mazda, Apollo, Hera, Aken, Ba-Pef, Minerva, Kami-no-Michi, Atea, Zoroaster..........................
This would assume that, since most of these gods condone often fundamentallydifferent philosophies and only one is the true god. That would mean that the majority of the planets population (The remaining religions) were deluded.
Following logic, we could assume that if the majority of the population is deluded, they probably all are.
I am confused if I am an atheist is it that I don't believe in: Allah, Geb, Buddha, Hari, Jehova, Ra the sun God, Mazda, Apollo, Hera, Aken, Ba-Pef, Minerva, Kami-no-Michi, Atea, Zoroaster..........................
This would assume that, since most of these gods condone often fundamentallydifferent philosophies and only one is the true god. That would mean that the majority of the planets population (The remaining religions) were deluded.
Following logic, we could assume that if the majority of the population is deluded, they probably all are.
forgot subaru..
this 'one god' concept is religions attempt to 'corner the market' on god..
'what if' god were to appear before you and explained himself to you..do you think you would be able to translate that so that others would see the same god?
logic,proof, evidence, these are things of those who do not want to take the responsibility of their faith..