What is time??

hansda said:
Examples can be given (other than frame-dragging ) , which can show that space moves physically .

Was this meant as a question or you have reference for some other example?
 
Space moves physically? Yes, it can be said to do that but it doesn't displace within itself or anything as matter can from what I see.
 
I have reference for some other example , which shows that space is moving physically like matter .
That's twice you've made the claim.
Both without actually giving this "evidence".
Is it likely to be forthcoming or are you just going to rely on claims?
 
I see it as a stack of index cards. If you exist outside of time you can flip through the index cards like a flip book. On every card is a moment of life. With a beggining and an ending. If time is this then something has to exist that drew these cards and can observe them. Were these cards always drawn? Were they scripted? Or are they all a predicition, and now used as a guideline after card after card comming to frution?
 
I see it as a stack of index cards. If you exist outside of time you can flip through the index cards like a flip book. On every card is a moment of life. With a beggining and an ending.

This is one of the main concepts in Kurt Vonnegut's book Slaughterhouse 5.

If time is this then something has to exist that drew these cards and can observe them.

Why?
 
Space moves physically? Yes, it can be said to do that but it doesn't displace within itself or anything as matter can from what I see.


Consider an atom . Consider the atomic structure . An atom consists of atomic particles . Besides atomic particles , the atom also has space . This atomic-space is also integral part of an atom and remains attached with the atomic particles .


When a mass moves , atoms of the mass are also moving alongwith the mass .


When the atom moves , its atomic-space is also moving alongwith the atom .


So, this is a clear evidence that ; space moves physically .
 
When the atom moves , its atomic-space is also moving alongwith the atom
Does it?
Or are you just assuming?

So, this is a clear evidence that ; space moves physically .
Nope.
Your unfounded assumptions aren't evidence.

This is equivalent to claiming that the space inside a cardboard box is the same "space" regardless of where the box is moved to.
 
Does it?
Or are you just assuming?


Nope.
Your unfounded assumptions aren't evidence.

This is equivalent to claiming that the space inside a cardboard box is the same "space" regardless of where the box is moved to.

Atomic-space is the integral part of an atom . Without this space an atom is incomplete .
 
Atomic-space is the integral part of an atom . Without this space an atom is incomplete .
Just as cardboard box-space is an integral part of of the cardboard box.
Without this space a cardboard box is incomplete.


You're assuming again.
Can you prove (or even demonstrate) that "atomic-space" is an integral part of an atom?
 
Just as cardboard box-space is an integral part of of the cardboard box.
Without this space a cardboard box is incomplete.


You're assuming again.
Can you prove (or even demonstrate) that "atomic-space" is an integral part of an atom?

Read about atomic structure .
 
Read about atomic structure .

The fact that there is space between the electron shells and the nucleus does not mean that this space is an integral part of the atom, that is what you have to give evidence for.

Just because you believe it to be true does not make it true - you are required to give evidence. It is that whole science thing...;)
 
Space moves physically? Yes, it can be said to do that but it doesn't displace within itself or anything as matter can from what I see.

"space" is completely filled to the brim with googolplexillions of smaller particles. Most moving too fast and in too many directions for you to calculate any displacement.
 
The fact that there is space between the electron shells and the nucleus does not mean that this space is an integral part of the atom, that is what you have to give evidence for.

Just because you believe it to be true does not make it true - you are required to give evidence. It is that whole science thing...;)

Space is an integral part of the universe... Does that not trump this quarrel over something as small as an atom?

Should we say an atom is an integral part of space? As without a valid material reference we are left without boundaries to ****define**** "space". Something we are already terrible at.
 
Space is an integral part of the universe... Does that not trump this quarrel over something as small as an atom?
You're either missing Hansda's point completely or you're indulging in your usual non-sequitur nonsensical ramblings.
Or both.
 
I just don't think you can use the term "space" and have everyone picture the same object in their mind....

It's a little spacey... and seems to change depending on scale...
 
This is one of the main concepts in Kurt Vonnegut's book Slaughterhouse 5.



Why?

I dont believe a billion random events occured after the previous billions of random events that had to have occured for me to exist. It makes much more sense for their to be divine intervention following a plan all along, than complete randomness.
 
I dont believe a billion random events occured after the previous billions of random events that had to have occured for me to exist. It makes much more sense for their to be divine intervention following a plan all along, than complete randomness.

These billions of random events created a multi-celled blob, not you. After the multi-celled blob things start to become more intelligent, so not as random.
 
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