What is Islam?

[iceaura]

Indeed. And correlation is not causation.

Correlation was your choice. It is being disputed, by an example implying generality for those of us familiar with the type.

But I'm willing to fill in a bit of your argument for you, hinting at mechanism of causation:

Probably, as I already acknowledged. But its far far faaaaar lower on the scale of priority for any woman than the invasion and occupation of her country to bring her "backward" society into line

It's debatable how far lower on the scale of priority it is, considered as a symptom of the actual situation in which it is possible.

It would unless you think what women want is irrelevant to their society.

That was you, denigrating what you presume few women want as no aspect of freedom for the rest.

Ever notice how the men most against the veil are also likely to be the ones who blame the victims for having brought it upon themselves?

The blamers of victims tend to seize on the victims' wrong-doing for justification of their own evils. That doesn't excuse the victims' wrong-doing - if any, a separate issue.

And this is still hanging:

Where did porn come into this?

Why was that irrelevancy your chosen comparison?

 

[GeoffP]

Indeed. And correlation is not causation.

And so your entire argument was spurious. It was akin to asking us to gaze on the daisies, and note how yellow they seemed in the dusk light. Fine as a statement, but then meaningless, no?

 

[Buffalo Roam]

What is Islam, a plagiarism.

It is a straight plagiarism of the Torah, New Testament, and Gnostic beliefs, with Mohammed taking the place of Joseph, Moses and Jesus, almost story for story.

 

[spidergoat]

...which are all in turn plagarisms of previous myths of virgin births, prophecies, dying and resurrecting, and miracles.

 

[S.A.M.]

And so your entire argument was spurious. It was akin to asking us to gaze on the daisies, and note how yellow they seemed in the dusk light. Fine as a statement, but then meaningless, no?

Pay attention. One is accepting his own culture and rejecting another. One is denigrating women no matter what they wear, too much or too little, its all their fault.

 

[S.A.M.]

What is Islam, a plagiarism.

It is a straight plagiarism of the Torah, New Testament, and Gnostic beliefs, with Mohammed taking the place of Joseph, Moses and Jesus, almost story for story.

...which are all in turn plagarisms of previous myths of virgin births, prophecies, dying and resurrecting, and miracles.

Does anyone have an education these days?

plagiarismlagiarism, as defined in the 1995 Random House Compact Unabridged Dictionary, is the "use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work.

Surely We revealed the Taurat in which was guidance and light; with it the prophets who submitted themselves judged (matters) for those who were Jews, and the masters of Divine knowledge and the doctors, because they were required to guard of the Book of God, and they were witnesses thereof; therefore fear not the people and fear Me, and do not take a small price for My communications; and whoever did not judge by what God revealed, those are they that are the unbelievers. 5:44

The Apostle believes in what is sent down to him from his Lord, and the believers all believe on God, and His angels, and His Books, and His apostles,- we make no difference between any of His apostles,- they say, 'We hear and obey, Thy pardon, O Lord! for to Thee our journey tends. 2:285

Say , 'We believe in God, and what has been revealed to thee, and what was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and what was given to Moses, and Jesus, and the prophets from their Lord,- we will make no distinction between any of them,- and we are unto Him resigned. 3:84

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Does anyone have an education these days?

plagiarismlagiarism, as defined in the 1995 Random House Compact Unabridged Dictionary, is the "use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work.

Surely We revealed the Taurat in which was guidance and light; with it the prophets who submitted themselves judged (matters) for those who were Jews, and the masters of Divine knowledge and the doctors, because they were required to guard of the Book of God, and they were witnesses thereof; therefore fear not the people and fear Me, and do not take a small price for My communications; and whoever did not judge by what God revealed, those are they that are the unbelievers. 5:44

The Apostle believes in what is sent down to him from his Lord, and the believers all believe on God, and His angels, and His Books, and His apostles,- we make no difference between any of His apostles,- they say, 'We hear and obey, Thy pardon, O Lord! for to Thee our journey tends. 2:285

Say , 'We believe in God, and what has been revealed to thee, and what was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and what was given to Moses, and Jesus, and the prophets from their Lord,- we will make no distinction between any of them,- and we are unto Him resigned. 3:84

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity [lawlessness].

 

[S.A.M.]

my Father which is in heaven

2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

And yet Christians today have substituted a man for God and sublimated Jesus for Paul.

Deuteronomy 4:23 Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget the covenant of the LORD your God, which he made with you, and make you a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, which the LORD thy God hath forbidden thee.
24 For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.
25 When thou shalt beget children, and children's children, and ye shall have remained long in the land, and shall corrupt yourselves, and make a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, and shall do evil in the sight of the LORD thy God, to provoke him to anger:
26 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.
27 And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.
28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.

 

[(Q)]

Dueling psalms.

 

[S.A.M.]

Yeah ain't it fun?