Ah yes, the Perfection/want/need scenario. It is the one of the few inherent and bottomless holes in the Christian, Judaic, Islamic religions. It is one that will be argued endlessly until those who do not see it as a fallacy will argue against its fallaciousness, well, fallaciously.
God is Perfect, as assumed and declared unerringly...
...but...
God
WANTS things, as shown by our existence, the existence of the bible, his only begotten son in heaven coming down and dying for our sins, those sins also created by God directly because he is the creator of all things like death, destruction, hate, disbelief, pedophilia practices by church officials, people who believe in gods other than Him, who then kill the people that DO believe in Him because those killers believe the god that tells them to kill is the right one...etc...
This in turn is always argued against with one simple statement which I have already seen twice in only 5 posts from two different people:
i can imagine an entity that does what it wants, pracicing its will, whithout fulfilling any need.
Gods don't have any needs. Gods dwell outside time, therefore don't have time to do/need/want anything.
So it must be assumed then that there is a God who doesn't want anything, or need anything, but acts at RANDOM as can be descried by any other intelligent observer...
*Insert Retort Here*
Now hold on a second, if it's not random then it's calculated...but to what ends? If it is calculated then it is so for a DESIRED outcome...if it is not calculated then it is a RANDOM outcome...
*Insert Retort Here*
If it's calculated to generate RANDOM outcomes, then the outcomes themselves are not truly RANDOM as they are not truly random in a calculator...they're generated by equations and iterations of equations. But they are indeed calculated for the want/need "Almost Random Outcomes".
So tell me which is it?
Desired/Calculated or Undesired/Random?
Is everything religious,pious, humanistic, and existential a random generation from the "God Calculator" the "Perfect Calculator" with no INTENT.
...or does everything created by God radiate with intent, desire, want of a certain scenario? And indeed a
NEED yes need...of a certain set of
cirumstances to generate that outcome? Meaning he may not WANT the circumstances themselves, but NEEDS the circumstances to have a certain outcome, thus creating them to produce that outcome...
IOW,humans never reached the state of perfection to talk about it, as i said, gods can have their reasons which are different from our reasons; i.e don't head toward fulfilling an imperfection.
Then why do we talk about God as Perfect if no one understands it?
Why do we say "want" and "desire" when we don't mean to imply the actual definitions of those word...and indeed use them when we mean to imply some oxymoronic nonsense that contradicts itself?
Note: Sarcasm will ensue in the section bounded by asterices, feel free to skip it if you don't like sarcasm, I am "excercising"...for those who enjoy a bit of sass in forums used to promote intelligent conversation enjoy...
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Statement: I want things I don't need for ANY reason...
Reply: Then why do you want them...
Statement: Because I desire things I don't ACTUALLY need...
Reply:
You desire things you don't need, kind of like a nice watch? an attractive wife? happiness? pleasure? satisfaction? joy? love? people to worship you, and to accept your only begotten son as their savior, and not to covet their neighbors wife, not to show their face in public if they're a woman, not to eat non-kosher foods, and not to doubt your power but to believe in you and love you unconditionally, unquestioned, and based only on faith and a slew of contradictory ideas?
Contradictory Ideas like: unconditionally loving and believing in someone that will send you to hell otherwise and will bless you with good life and good cirumstance if you DO believe in them, and more importantly unconditionally loving someone that can give you eternal life of reciprocated love, happiness, roads paved with gold, immediately after those daily blessing you have been awarded, and the nonbelievers are stripped of for the opposing reason??
Statement: YES! Indeed, I don't need those things for ANY reason, I just want them...randomly, not because they feel good to
humans, not because they make my state of existence more livable as they would a
human with the same fulfilled desires, nor is it because it would make my existence more Perfect than it already is, not because I gain ANYTHING from those things, but because they're randomly generated as desireable things and by "random" I actually mean, not describeable by ANY WORDS you know as a human being, but words I choose that are similar to "random" like "wanted" or "desired"...
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A modicum of logical observation can see that things are wanted because we NEED things to feel complacent at SOME point in the never-reached-but-always-moved-toward future.
What good is it to create such confusion, to turn potential believers away because of something as simple as poor diction?
Good diction is a skill moderately developed by age 18 in most education systems. And we can't even have the privilege as intelligent beings, created by God as such, to have our entire existence explained to us in terms more convincing than an elementary school student using random words they didn't know any definitions for?
Are we to abandon all things that have been given to us by God directly: the gift of comprehension? The gifts of deduction, of experiment, of theory, of language itself?
Has God framed me for disaster by giving me a desire for credence?
When things sound logical I believe them as true until further notice, when things sounds illogical I do not believe them as unalterably true, ever, nor will I believe them as likely true until more information is given pointing in that direction...
Did God create me (someone who REQUIRES logic and observation and experiemt, and reassertion, and reason in general to believe in things, someone stubborn to those ideals) as someone destined to go to Hell from the get-go?
Should I love him unconditionally for it?
