That sounds kind of odd at first glance, even oxymoronic, but I get it.
When you think of all the sins mankind has perpetrated, again I find it strange that disavowing God is the lowest on the list. We have to do better
What has to Happen to end Religion?
- Thread starter PsychoticEpisode
- Start date
That sounds kind of odd at first glance, even oxymoronic, but I get it.
When you think of all the sins mankind has perpetrated, again I find it strange that disavowing God is the lowest on the list. We have to do better
Oh, it's true of America too. America fails in many social aspects compared with many secular countries. Not to mention it's fondness for war.
No. If we can end fundamentalism than moderate religion would be a good thing in the cultural aspects that it provides
Fails? I'm glad America is still rough.
I don't want some soft and pathetic world. That's what you call too civilized.
You want higher rates of poverty, crime, illiteracy, drug use etc?
Well you may have a point about that. There are some positives to be had with America's inforced identity. It really stops immigrants coming in and trying to change America's identity. This in turn helps immigrants integrate to some extent.
This is where some countries in Europe fail. But never the less Scandinavian countries in particular seem to have the best of both worlds: Reinforced identity, no religion, no wars, good social health.
Odd then that these days it seems physics is the discipline retreating into obscurity.
Children should not be forced to accept doctrine, uncritically.
Only a few generations would precede a collapse of organized religion. Children would no longer be indoctrinated into their parents religion, but instead would grow up learning to think critically and to question the doctrines of ALL cults.
At the very least, they would be granted the opportunity to make a choice.
I think we have our monthly winner for the most dysfunctional reason to support religion.
I don't want absolutely no conflict. A world without conflict would be boring.
No religion? What world are you living in?
There's a handful of europeon countries that are majority atheist.
More like, they have moderate religion. And they don't have identity, what European country is patriotic? I cant think of one.
They are taught to accept that gravity is real.
Then we shouldn't have schools. They teach children a certain way of thinking, and only one way.
Did Greek Polytheism cause a decline in the Greek ideals, Hellenism?
Did the Shinto religion cause a decline in Japanese society? What about when Buddhism was introduced?
How about Egyptian society? Surely their VERY deep religious beliefs helped sustain their civilization for millennia? And, Ancient Egyptians were deeply religious.
How about Rome? Did their tolerance of multi-version of polytheism cause a decline in their civilization?
I think religions play an important role. And, it may even be that a certain critical number of people that make up the population are pretty much genetically pre-programed to think "religiously" and so THAT must be taken into consideration. I mean, even the Communists worshiped a Dear Leader be he Mao, Staline, Kim Jung Il.
Surely it's not one big coincidence that Egyptians had Pharaohs, Jews have Moses, Xians have Jesus, Scientologists have Ron Hubbard, Muslims have Mohammad, John Frumians have John Frum, Mormons have Joseph Smith, Baha'i have Bahá'u'lláh, Communists in NK have Kim Jung Il, Terrorists have Bin Laden, Republicans have GW Bush Jr, etc...
So, really, it's a matter of which religous beleif is most suitable for modern development - I'm voting Buddhism personally. That one's pretty peaceful in it's modern incarnation and it doesn't seem to be too much of a burden on a modern society like Japan. So it's fine. Perhaps for more primitive people, like people in Pakistan or inner city Detroit, Islam is more suitable? Some people probably NEED a bigger carrot and a harder stick then other, more civil, people? AND is it really all that taboo to say such a thing? I mean, religion has been, for the most part of human history, used primarily utilized as a means to control peoples' actions. Lets not forget that. It does have that use. Just live in an inner Detroit ghetto and you will probably BEG and PRAY that people become religous and follow the though shalt not kill, murder, etc... rule. Then you can see the usefulness religions can play in society.
MII
Last edited:
The search for a unified theory is now the only excuse scientists have left for why their view of the cosmos is inconsistent.
Coincidentally, the lack of a G.U.T. is also the only excuse theists have for maintaining their belief system.
one: kill kadark
two: it's slowly dying anyways. Look around you at what people call "Religion," its meaningless. I barely know any christians that follow the bible the way the pope tells us/them to.
two: it's slowly dying anyways. Look around you at what people call "Religion," its meaningless. I barely know any christians that follow the bible the way the pope tells us/them to.
selfish
He said that even without religion the world can still kick ass?
Nobody forces you to believe it.
Hmm? That's not true at all. Schools definitely teach many ways of thinking, and its not like schools force you to believe things you don't want to, just don't, it isn't very hard.
EDIT: don't reply to this, please.
Last edited:
So, you're in favor of people killing each other in the name of their gods that you might be entertained?
No, they can do experiments to observe the effects of gravity, hence have an understanding of how things work.
What way is that, exactly?
You will end religion by ending the human race.
Short of that, you can pretend that religion can and will end.
But in reality, religion is part and parcel of the human race.
jan.
Enmos
Valued Senior Member
You only have to end all the theists and all the references to religion.
Well the Egyptians went as far as building humungous pyramids for asinine reasons.
Just goes to show what lengths superstitious minded people can go to. It's a big waste of time. Perhaps if people were more rationally minded back then as today, society would have been more productive and more progressive. You can't prove that these religions in anyway expedited civilisation.
Using Isaac Newton as an example: Great scientist... but would have been better if not so ludicrously religious and superstitious.
How in the world did we go from 1 or 2 persons to a myriad of extinct and active religions? Even when God cut the population to 8, religions grew again. It does sound as if religion is like rabbits. I should have asked why religion is so proliferate.
People have pretended for many things to end. Does your statement mean were stuck with cancer forever?
At birth it isn't.
Didn't work in the communist countries; in fact, they had to revert their decision to do so.