If you were Mormon, you become a God upon death.
What good had Christianity done to the world since 2000 years ago?
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If you were Mormon, you become a God upon death.
Why focus on Christianity?
I avoid Revelations for similar reasons. Revelations is very unnerving and stirs my imagination in ways I don't like.
I do like other parts of the Bible. John 1, 2:9 "2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now."
It just seems so appropriate as I ask myself why do I look at this forum.
Wait, in religion you get to pick and choose what you follow and what you don't?
Sounds nifty.
Why can't scientific principles be more like that?
Considering the hate you often direct at atheists, one wonders, indeed.
)Given that the secular vision tends to be formulated as an opposition, a rebellion to religion, said secular vision is still shaped by religion.
Just like revolution is shaped by the political option it opposes; and thus the revolution keeps the outlook of the political option it opposes alive, even if in the form of negating it.
A truly advanced way of thinking would be one that offers a truly new perspective on things, a perspective that isn't shaped simply as being the opposition or rebellion to the old perspective.
Oh, and Beethoven believed in God.
And, obviously, Bach, without whom we wouldn't have the music that we have.
One thing here: Whether or not someone believed or disbelieved and did great things unrelated to that belief may not be very relevant.
Just because a composer believed in God, doesn't mean that belief directly contributed to his amazing works. After all, Carl Sagan also did amazing works and he did not believe in God.
They did the work of the merit of the work, not because of their religious affiliation or lack of it.
We are all ignorant of the laws of physics. We always have been and we always will be.
It took a passage from the Bible to call my attention to it.
To tell you the truth, Carl Sagan never resonated with me. His writings always felt flat and uninspired.
Where does that teaching come from? How do I know you're not parroting a distorted Mormon teaching?
Wrong. Hitler was a strong atheist and commited atrocities in the name of science and eugenics. So in pretty much every way, atheists have pretty much already destroyed Christianity.
I say this because there only are very few true Christians left in the world today.
Except that Beethoven himself believed that God inspired him to write the music he did.
See "Beethoven: sein Leben in Selbstzeugnissen, Briefen und Berichten" by Stephan Ley (Wien; Berlin: P.Neff, [1970])
How can you possibly know that?
Sheesh.
You want to place one of the greatest - even if darkest - masterminds, political strategists of the last millennia into a neat little category like "atheist" or "theist"?
Arguably, every text that the Nazis have left behind is layered and layered with political strategy and propaganda, so to try to make conclusions about what they really thought is a bit naive, to say the least.
You don't make conclusions about peoples thoughts(the subjective). You make conclusions, from the actual evidence available(the objective).
Hitler may have been a number of things, but he most certainly was not an atheist, simply from the evidence available.
If he was he kept it very well hidden, as there is no evidence to indicate he was.
And incidentally I don't want to place him anywhere. I was just correcting a mistake.
Hitler may have been a number of things, but he most certainly was not an atheist, simply from the evidence available.
If he was he kept it very well hidden, as there is no evidence to indicate he was.
And incidentally I don't want to place him anywhere. I was just correcting a mistake.
Only if you are a good little boy and wear your magic underpants.
Magical Realist
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A secular vision doesn't rebel against religion at all. It simply doesn't think about it. Just like it doesn't think about other magical beings like mermaids, unicorns, leprachauns, or devils. It isn't "rebelling" against magical beings. It is simply viewing the universe as it is without them. We call that sanity.