Depends on how you define secular. If its "without religion", then the communists have not really given freedom of religion, true or otherwise, to any individuals.
What do Christians think about Islam
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Depends on how you define secular. If its "without religion", then the communists have not really given freedom of religion, true or otherwise, to any individuals.
Nobody reasonable defines "secular" that way; that's atheism. "Secular" means "separate from religion."
"The Communists" (by which I assume you mean the USSR and Warsaw Pact) were not secularists but (militant, authoritarian) atheists.
Secularism, by definition, is all about granting freedom of conscience to individuals. State-enforced ideology (religious or atheist or otherwise) is all about denying freedom of conscience to individuals, and is the opposite of secularism.
Again, almost all secularists in the history of the world have been strongly religious people. Atheists comprise only a tiny percentage of them.
It isn't, it's simply the devotion to the temporal world as opposed to the spiritual world.
Any of the ones used by reasonable people who have some idea what they're talking about.
The definition of "secular" is not controversial, in the world of adults. And even for a child, pretending that it's a synonym for atheism and spouting canned rhetoric about The Communists is unimpressive.
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Do you even read what you post, Sam. :crazy:
What's confusing about that? It's a PR move.
Nowhere near as confusing as a militant cult claiming to be a religion of peace.
What's that word called to describe people who think it's bad the Christians teach their kids that Muslims deserve to burn in Hell for going against God but then turn around and teach their own kids that Arab Polytheists deserved to burn in Hell for going against God... I'm pretty sure it sums up monotheism....
zhengshengming
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I was wondering:
Again, it's interesting that Muslims think it's wrong (and probably intolerant) for Christians to teach their children that Muslims are following Satan and reading the Satanic Qur'an BUT then turn around a CELEBRATE the fact that Mohammad taught children that Arab Polytheists are following Satan.
In the one case we ended up having Christians kill Muslims.
In the other case we ended up having Muslims kill Arabs who happen to be polytheists.
It's just very very interesting how a Religion can f*ck with people's minds so much so - that they can't see they are standing knee deep in bigoted intolerant hypocrisy.... which has led to, and continues to lead to, murder.
In the one case we ended up having Christians kill Muslims.
In the other case we ended up having Muslims kill Arabs who happen to be polytheists.
It's just very very interesting how a Religion can f*ck with people's minds so much so - that they can't see they are standing knee deep in bigoted intolerant hypocrisy.... which has led to, and continues to lead to, murder.
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Again, please stop promoting falsehood as fact. No one was killed for being a polytheist. And it wasn't Muslims killed Arabs, it was Mohammed and his followers fighting for their own people in Mecca, to stop internecine warfare, practices which they abhorred in their own society, among their own people and briging a unity to the varied groups through agreements such as the constitution of Medina
The aim was to stop the infighting and create a just society. As you can see from the charter, even Jews and pagans were included in this community as members.
DiamondHearts
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Adstar, you are consciously manipulating verses from the Quran. Fitnah means oppression and injustice, not disbelief. You will find I ALREADY responded to these verses. I find it very dishonest that you regurgitate these same verses again and again, even though I clearly proved that your translations are fake and not representative of the original Arabic.
No believer of God relies on falsehood, manipulation, or deceit, even to convince others of God's truth. Therefore, I must declare that this dishonesty which you are exhibiting in this thread is contrary to the actions of a true believer of God.
Truth, cannot and must not, be furthered by falsehood. If you want to debate me, SAM or any other Muslims on this board, on the principles of Islam and Christianity, I suggest you create another thread and declare a formal debate. Let's leave this lying, and dishonesty out of discussions of religion. God does not like these things.
Where have we heard that one before? Kill people to stop the infighting. Brilliant!
Really? Doesn't Fitnah refer to the first Islamic civil war, upheaval, anarchy, disagreement and division in Islam?
It's only dishonest if you can demonstrate your gods existence. SInce you cannot, the only dishonesty would be on your part.
You never do heed your own words. Your god must be very angry with you.