People nowdays have a very strange concept of what is weakness, eh?Vienna said:A: Just nice people who use faith as a crutch for their weakness
Love is weakness, eh? :bugeye:
I don't think so...
People nowdays have a very strange concept of what is weakness, eh?Vienna said:A: Just nice people who use faith as a crutch for their weakness
DoctorNO said:But you are only speculating on this. And this speculation doesn’t make sense. For how on earth would the crowd mistake Barabbas or Simon for Jesus? Unless that person was Jesus’ twin. Or nobody in the crowd knows how jesus looks like.
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M*W: Good point! You have just hit upon another theory that Jesus had a twin, and it was probably Thomas (which means 'twin'). However, even speculating who might have been JC's stand-in, the fact that Pilate had a piece of wood with 'INRI' carved on it and nailed to the cross further goes to indicate that whoever was on that cross wasn't really Jesus. The INRI was put there to symbolize to the crowd that whomever was hanging there was 'supposed' to indicate that person was a stand-in for JC.
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But an infant talking jesus wasn’t confirmed by any historian either. And the quran also mentioned the crucifixion, although a different version, which is still evident that mohammad plagiarized from Christianity. You see the point?
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M*W: That's entirely possible. Curiously, does anybody know why the Qur'an states that Jesus lived but didn't die on the cross as written in the NT?
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1. Both the bible & the quran claims a miracle worker by the name of jesus. Which is surprisingly unconfirmed by roman historians who would have investigated supernatural occurrences within the boundaries of their empire.
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M*W: Yes, this is another clue that historians of the day didn't write about this wondrous miracle worker who was raised from the dead.
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2. Both bible and the quran mentioned the crucifixion.
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M*W: Yes, they did, but why does the Qur'an specifically say JC wasn't crucified?
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3. The quran deviated from bible version by covering up with a wilder & more senseless explanation… the old switcharooo. Given the fact that mobs are bloodthirsty and would study the features of jesus as they enjoy seeing him suffer.
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M*W: If that had been Jesus, the Son of God hanging there, seems to me that by being 'god,' he would not have to suffer. Whomever was on the cross suffered as if they were not god.
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Wellwe all know how Christianity feels about homosexuality. But its treatment of gays is not much different than many of the pagans like the Chinese and the Japanese. Disgust, discrimination and frustration.
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M*W: All these Christian coalition-types who decry homosexuality are really defying God, since God created them, too. That doesn't seem very 'Christian' to me.
Paula said:Medicine Woman
Why do you think your alternate sources are any more reliable than the Bible you detest?
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M*W: They make more sense than the Bible. I don't 'detest' the Bible anymore than I would 'detest' Mother Goose.
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Also, to anyone who cares to answer, if we take the Muslim view, why would someone else be allowed to be crucified in Jesus' place, without people realizing this had happened for another six hundred years?
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M*W: There was no proof then, and there is no proof now.
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There is no appreciable difference in result of fulfilling the Scripture or tricking people into thinking Scripture had been fulfilled.
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M*W: People were uneducated and unlearned in those days. They were waiting on their Moshiach to come. Some believed the Rabbi Jesus was the Moshiach, but most didn't. The whole NT is about tricking the Jews.
TruthSeeker said:People nowdays have a very strange concept of what is weakness, eh?
Love is weakness, eh? :bugeye:
I don't think so...
el supremo el diablo said:and what of all the mass murderers from the begining of time
who've been absolved of there sins to spend eternity at gods side
some thing wrong here dont you think
and what of the suicides that dont get to sit at is side
why do murders get better treatment
stretched said:Yo,
Quote: JIL
"Read revelations if you are willing to understand.
But chances are extremely high you won't. Because one who has read the bible and taken what it says into consideration will find it to be completely philosophically sound, filled with love and mercy, and totally true."
What about one who has read the Bible, found it philosophically questionable, and filled with violence, hate, jealousy, blood and gore?
stretched said:Yo,
Quote: JIL
"Read revelations if you are willing to understand.
But chances are extremely high you won't. Because one who has read the bible and taken what it says into consideration will find it to be completely philosophically sound, filled with love and mercy, and totally true."
What about one who has read the Bible, found it philosophically questionable, and filled with violence, hate, jealousy, blood and gore?
Where exactly is this good church of perfect teaching?
Dude, did you know your book falls apart under examination? Explain just this small portion to me in plain English.
Where and how? I would like to clear this up.
What I mean is that some of these cults, while accepting the bible, do not believe in what it teaches; they contradict themselves.
Genesis:1:29
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Genesis: 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
O.K. First Adam can eat from any tree on the face of the earth. Then he cannot eat from a particular tree. And as we see, he did not die on that day.
But he did. Spiritually. He disobeyed God and brought sin into the world.
O.K. Cool. So God changes his mind? Creation on the hop. Help me here.
What do you mean?
Medicine Woman said:M*W: Good point! You have just hit upon another theory that Jesus had a twin, and it was probably Thomas (which means 'twin'). However, even speculating who might have been JC's stand-in, the fact that Pilate had a piece of wood with 'INRI' carved on it and nailed to the cross further goes to indicate that whoever was on that cross wasn't really Jesus. The INRI was put there to symbolize to the crowd that whomever was hanging there was 'supposed' to indicate that person was a stand-in for JC.
Medicine Woman said:M*W: That's entirely possible. Curiously, does anybody know why the Qur'an states that Jesus lived but didn't die on the cross as written in the NT?
Medicine Woman said:Yes, this is another clue that historians of the day didn't write about this wondrous miracle worker who was raised from the dead.
Medicine Woman said:M*W: Yes, they did, but why does the Qur'an specifically say JC wasn't crucified?
Medicine Woman said:M*W: If that had been Jesus, the Son of God hanging there, seems to me that by being 'god,' he would not have to suffer. Whomever was on the cross suffered as if they were not god.
Medicine Woman said:M*W: All these Christian coalition-types who decry homosexuality are really defying God, since God created them, too. That doesn't seem very 'Christian' to me.
And why do you insist that the writers of the Gospels were NOT eyewitnesses writing down what happened as they saw it?
John cannot be written 100 years after Jesus' death since Ignatius quotes from the book of John.The evidence indicates that the Gospels were all written at least 50 years after the death of Jesus. John was written over 100 years later.
Vienna said:No they are not 100% good. This is just another example where Christianity needs to grow up to survive - Its outdated!
Leviticus said:no they are obeying god caues in Leviticus god specifically says that homosexuality is wrong.
it also says you cant eat shellfish, wear jumpers of a cotton/wool mix, and also you cannot eat.....pigs i think (or was it cows)
there id also an inumerable other amount of animals you cant eat but noone eats them nowadays anyway....